(Royal Navy) 22 Dec 2018
More: https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-l ... -christmasMerry Christmas from the ship's company of HMS Argyll, who are on a nine month deployment to the Far East.
More: https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-l ... -christmasMerry Christmas from the ship's company of HMS Argyll, who are on a nine month deployment to the Far East.
Nobody likes to see vessels tied up in mothballs so it is good news if the manning issues start to ease.donald_of_tokyo wrote:Is modifying a ship to be decommissioned in 2025, only 6 years from now and 5 years after refit, good idea?
As military is reality, those number shall better be realistic.Tempest414 wrote:I think right now we need to have a fixed plan to have 10 T23s and 5 T45s fully manned and at sea for 220 days a year each. With 2 of each attached to the Carrier group and 2 T23s fitted for TAPS leaving 9 free to carry out other deployments.
Sounds like a solid plan and clearly still gives RN lots of options for an ARG even if only for part of the year and/or singleton deployments.Tempest414 wrote:I think right now we need to have a fixed plan to have 10 T23s and 5 T45s fully manned......With 2 of each attached to the Carrier group and 2 T23s fitted for TAPS leaving 9 free to carry out other deployments.
Its a big ask, especially for vessels that are as old as the T23's but the life extension refits will certainly help although not all of the engine overhauls are getting done at this stage....and at sea for 220 days a year each.
180 days seems achievable without being overly optimistic. Certainly an improvement over what we have seen in recent years.donald_of_tokyo wrote:In general (looking at RNZN or RCS), a highly active escort has sea-going days of 180 days/year. On average, they will have 140 days/year (39%) typically, if my memory works. So, 140 days a year on average (for 13) and 180 days a year for the 10-selected active T23s will be doable.
Yes. It meansTempest414 wrote:OK if we made it that each of the 10 T23s and 5 T45s should be fully manned and aim for 240 ready days a year I would be happy do we think this is doable
Rather simply let 13th T23 go, and do just make T23GP as it is, but I agree this is a good approach. Also,Poiuytrewq wrote:As said previously I would let the 13th T23 go and use money gained/saved to upgrade remaining 4 GP's to full ASW spec.
This is very interesting point. But, I'm afraid it is too late.The other option is to go the other way and effectively reduce the GP T23's spec down to a T31 spec.
It is, but is is an own goal and the problem coming has been seen for a very long time.Digger22 wrote:when ships begin to need major re fits or life extension. So currently 11 ish deployable warships available to RN. Very sad.
Thanks for taking the time to work this out, I had lost track. Your going to need some more colours, soon some will be running around with new engines. A couple will never get new engines, I guess they're going to be the first to go.donald_of_tokyo wrote:Now, the status if the five T23GPs are;
That is fine until they are all shagged and need more refits due to the delay of T26 / T31.Aethulwulf wrote:Of course, it could just be that the RN are now pushing the T23 fleet through refit as quickly as they can before they have to meet the heavy demands of providing continuously available escorts for the carriers from ~late 2021 onwards.
Quite right: one carrier, one T45 (as long as the AMPH. READY group tags along)... but as for ASW?Digger22 wrote: And we still have T45 major works to look forward to too. More T23 pressure