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what 23's are left un modernised?

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When will the first ship be ready with sea ceptor?

We haven't heard a lot about sea captor lately, there was a period when there was news and a few country's buying it but since they we haven't seen or heard much.

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@Ron5: I believe this is actually the last deployment of the Lynx with the RN.

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2HeadsBetter wrote:@Ron5: I believe this is actually the last deployment of the Lynx with the RN.
Momentous. Thanks.

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We haven't heard a lot about sea captor lately, there was a period when there was news and a few country's buying it but since they we haven't seen or heard much.
It is being installed on HMS Westminster and HMS Argyl. Now it is a matter of seeing who makes it back to sea first, and i think it might be Westminster.
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i wonder should we leave 2 GP unmodified for Scotland if they go independent and start drafting crews to them from North of the Border?

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I cannot see the Scottish navy being more than a few patrol boats.

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shotleylad wrote:I cannot see the Scottish navy being more than a few patrol boats.
Were Scotland to go independent, they would have requirements well in excess of "a few patrol boats."

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Halidon wrote:
shotleylad wrote:I cannot see the Scottish navy being more than a few patrol boats.
Were Scotland to go independent, they would have requirements well in excess of "a few patrol boats."
...but a budget only fit for a few patrol boats.
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May be they could ask the UK to provide assets, with a few Scottish personnel on board to cover legal eventualities, with them paying for the service of course!

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Ron5 wrote:What, no Merlin?
As has been said, it's the last Lynx deployment. Portland will be relieving St Albans east of Suez but will also be heading to the South Atlantic - where a Lynx with Sea Skua could be of more use than a Merlin perhaps.

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Thanks for the info. Personally I'd prefer the 3 engines of the Merlin flying over the SA :-)

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Type 23 Frigates:Written question - 39922

Asked by Mrs Flick Drummond
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, what plans he has to extend the operational life of the Type 23 frigate.
Answered by: Mr Philip Dunne
There are currently no plans to extend further the out of service dates for the Type 23 Frigates.
http://www.parliament.uk/business/publi ... -08/39922/

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Ron5 wrote:Thanks for the info. Personally I'd prefer the 3 engines of the Merlin flying over the SA :-)
A Merlin able to operate Sea Skua/Sea Venom? :twisted:

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GibMariner wrote:
Ron5 wrote:Thanks for the info. Personally I'd prefer the 3 engines of the Merlin flying over the SA :-)
A Merlin able to operate Sea Skua/Sea Venom? :twisted:
Sounds like a plan. Who are we going to sink again?

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shotleylad wrote:I cannot see the Scottish navy being more than a few patrol boats.
I read somewhere that they were asking for 2 frigates and some OPV, plus 3 Hercules, possibly 18 Typhoon and around 15,000 men (plus equipment) from the Army, as part of the pre-requisites for accepting their share of the UK's National debt.
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Caribbean wrote:
shotleylad wrote:I cannot see the Scottish navy being more than a few patrol boats.
I read somewhere that they were asking for 2 frigates and some OPV, plus 3 Hercules, possibly 18 Typhoon and around 15,000 men (plus equipment) from the Army, as part of the pre-requisites for accepting their share of the UK's National debt.
At the risk of further derailing this thread, from the Scottish government's own white paper Scotland's Future (under "Scotland's defence forces"), at the point of independence:
One naval squadron to secure Scotland's maritime interests and Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) and contribute to joint capability with partners in Scotland's geographical neighbourhood, consisting of:

two frigates from the Royal Navy's current fleet
a command platform for naval operations and development of specialist marine capabilities (from the Royal Navy's current fleet, following adaptation)
four mine counter measure vessels from the Royal Navy's current fleet
two offshore patrol vessels (OPVs) to provide security for the 200 nautical mile Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ). However, as the Royal Navy only has four OPVs currently[262], a longer lead time for procurement might be necessary
four to six patrol boats from the Royal Navy's current fleet, capable of operating in coastal waters, providing fleet protection and also contributing to securing borders
auxiliary support ships (providing support to vessels on operations), which could be secured on a shared basis initially with the rest of the UK
These arrangements will require around 2,000 regular and at least 200 reserve personnel.

Land forces

An army HQ function and an all-arms brigade, with three infantry/marine units, equipped initially from a negotiated share of current UK assets, and supported by:

a deployable Brigade HQ
two light armoured reconnaissance units
two light artillery units
one engineer unit deploying a range of equipment for bridging, mine clearance and engineering functions
one aviation unit operating six helicopters for reconnaissance and liaison
two communication units
one transport unit
one logistics unit
one medical unit
Special forces, explosives and ordnance disposal teams will bring the total to around 3,500 regular and at least 1,200 reserve personnel.

Air forces

Key elements of air forces in place at independence, equipped initially from a negotiated share of current UK assets, will secure core tasks, principally the ability to police Scotland's airspace, within NATO.

an Air Force HQ function (with staff embedded within NATO structures)
Scotland will remain part of NATO's integrated Air Command and Control (AC2) system, initially through agreement with allies to maintain the current arrangements while Scotland establishes and develops our own AC2 personnel and facility within Scotland within five years of independence
a Quick Reaction Alert (QRA) squadron incorporating a minimum of 12 Typhoon jets based at Lossiemouth
a tactical air transport squadron, including around six Hercules C130J aircraft, and a helicopter squadron
flight training through joint arrangements with allies
In total this would require around 2,000 regular personnel and around 300 reserve personnel.
More & plans for the future: http://www.gov.scot/Publications/2013/11/9348/10

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That would amount to Scotland trying to steal

10% of the escort fleet; 26% of the MCM fleet; up to 37% of the P2000. Command platform being what, an LPD...?

That is way more than their contribution share in percentual terms. The only reply possible to those demands is a big loud raspberry. For Army stuff, it is even worse.
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Scotland won't have the budget for any of it.
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HMS Kent coming in to Gib this morning:


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Is Gib capable to take big ships like the Queen Elizabeth and say the new Tide Class Tankers.

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bobp wrote:Is Gib capable to take big ships like the Queen Elizabeth and say the new Tide Class Tankers.
I can't say for sure. Perhaps the recent surveys by HMS Echo are in preparation for this. From a casual observation, the entrances to the harbour should be wide enough and the harbour should be deep enough.

On one hand, I don't think it would be impossible, considering some of the largest warships the RN has ever operated have docked at Gibraltar in the past - including HMS Vanguard (battleship), Hood, Ark Royal (R09), Eagle, etc. USS Nimitz visited Gib during her first Mediterranean cruise in 1976-77 but remained at anchor in the bay and didn't enter the harbour.

On another hand, I can't say whether the dockside facilities will be able to support Queen Elizabeth. It should also be noted that the MoD has transferred a lot of land to the government of Gibraltar, and as such has about 200 metres on the main wharf by the Tower and ~600 metres on the South Mole. The rest of the former dockyard area now belonging to Gibdock and the Detached Mole belonging to the GoG, currently used to support the bunkering industry.

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If she fitted would love to see her passing the South and detached mole. Just like the old days..

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hovematlot wrote:Image

If she fitted would love to see her passing the South and detached mole. Just like the old days..
Agreed! IIRC, the distance between the southern entrance is around 180 metres wide and the northern entrance just under 200 metres.

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Two combat vessels in Gib at the same time is a rare sight these days.

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