RichardIC wrote:OK, where have you heard it?
dmereifield wrote:RFA Argus likely to be utilised surely?
Caribbean wrote:dmereifield wrote:
RFA Argus likely to be utilised surely?
If it is, my guess is that it will be used in the same way as in West Africa - to deploy field hospitals/ medical teams and support/ treat forces personnel, rather than directly handling civilian cases - a model that worked quite well, I believe
Caribbean wrote:they not only bring additional capacity to bear, but are de facto quarantine facilities at the same time.
RichardIC wrote:Any DMS personnel usually assigned to Argus would be far better used being reassigned to support NHS hospitals. /quote]
Personally, I would say that having some specialist facilities available for servicemen and women (who will, of course, be asked to do the worst jobs), would be very good for the morale of those involved. Increasing the operation tempo will result in more injuries, and I feel that it is appropriate to have priority facilities for service (and possibly civilian emergency) personnel.RichardIC wrote:If they are not normally fully staffed they will not bring extra capacity. Any clinical staff used to deliver services onboard will need to be diverted from elsewhere.
Caribbean wrote:In the case of the US, the USN/USNS have their own medical corps, who will be mobilised to to support the two hospital ships and provide assistance to the civilian authorities - this is extra capacity that would not normally be available
In the case of the UK, you are making the major assumption that, if built, we would not make provision for staffing at least one of the ships at a time (presumably normally paid for out of the Aid budget, rather than the NHS). Since in normal use, the ship is likely to be on the other side of the world, it is clear that the staff will not normally be available to the NHS - moving the ship back to the UK will make the staff available, along with all the beds and facilities it carries at very short notice. If only one ship is in use at a time, the second ship could be staffed with recently retired medical staff (who are currently being asked to return to work) to provide additional bed capacity, to alleviate overcrowding. It's only if that is overwhelmed that we would then need to move to building temporary or field hospitals (primarily to handle the sick (up to, needing oxygen supplementation, but not ventilation), but not serious (ventilation)/ critical(multiple organ failure) cases, while the permanent hospitals gradually transform more and more beds into high-dependency beds).
Mercy and Comfort each have 500 beds (max. 1000) of which 50 are high dependency - I would assume that we would be aiming for smaller vessels, but even so, the first phase of the Government's medical plan is to stand up another 50 high-dependency beds, Phase 2 is 500 and Phase 3 is 5000, so Phase 1 could be covered at very short notice.
If the infection peak is managed correctly, then they may be all that is needed to avoid the neccessity of building tent and portacabin "hospitals", even if the Government appears to be planning for Phase 3 plus, by asking for another 20,000 ventilators to be manufactured)
RichardIC wrote:So we won't be having portacabin hospitals.
RichardIC wrote:The important thing for everyone to understand is there is no shortage of hospitals. There is a shortage of trained people, and in some cases (PPE, ventilators) the right equipment.
So we won't be having portacabin hospitals. What we may need is extra mortuary capacity, although it looks like the plan is to speed up cremation/burial to help mitigate this.
"A challenge is making sure they're properly staffed; that means each ship is over 1,000 professionals so we need to get them alerted and on the ships and then [sailing] to their respective locations," Esper said.
When it comes to staffing the ships with medical personal, Hoffman said the service is looking at its pool of active-duty military personnel first before it turns to the reserves and civilian personnel pools.
Dahedd wrote:I think this disaster presents the Govt with a perfect opportunity to get 1 or 2 built
shark bait wrote:Dahedd wrote:I think this disaster presents the Govt with a perfect opportunity to get 1 or 2 built
Very wishful thinking. In a years time people still wont case about shipbuilding, let alone a hospital ship.
dmereifield wrote:RFA Argus departed Devonport this afternoon...
jonas wrote:dmereifield wrote:RFA Argus departed Devonport this afternoon...
Whereabouts on the Thames will she be mooring.
serge750 wrote:Maybe the Excel center....?
Lord Jim wrote:If they do the usual "Follow the US", route I am sure someone in the Government has asked why we haven't got such a vessel. As long as all people point the finger a DFID to purchase such a ship I am fine with it.
serge750 wrote:Argus inbound to Devonport via save the royal navy twitter page , Got that one WRONG...2 + 2= 3 no:
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