Type 31 Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]

[donald_of_tokyo]

correct donald but could the t45 have been designed so you could have had a selection of weapons options for the export market, Same with type 22 & 23 and option to fit LM2500 or a variety of systems like dutch or american radar/sonar etc?
The germans showed the utility of this with the MEKO 200 ship the ship was a platform into which the customer could fit what they required.

I think arming UK escorts with US armaments/GTs are actually quite easy. 114mm gun is much much larger/heavier than 127mm gun. Mk.41 VLS short version for ESSM can be handled (with small extension) at SeaWold VLS location. Merlin is the largest ASW helicopter among the world (actually Merlin capable hangar is too large for export, no one uses it).

I think it is just a matter of marketing/PR strategy. Why not UK made an "artist impression" of Type-23 frigate armed with american equipment, which is technically quite easy, as I said.

The important point of Venator 110 (and actually also Khareef) is that they do not hesitate to arm them with non-British equipments, and do not hesitate to draw good "artists impression" of such options. BMT with Venator is doing well on this point, I agree.

[Jake1992]

Has there been anymore info released on the Spartan design yet ? If so where can it be found ?

[Zealot]

Has there been anymore info released on the Spartan design yet ? If so where can it be found ?

Here you go mate, all the info you need on the Spartan design; http://www.stellersystems.co.uk/wp-cont ... ochure.pdf

[Jake1992]

Zealot thanks, Iv already read that I was just wondering if there was any more detail on it, such as dimension displacement range armament in detail

[Zealot]

As of right now there doesnt seem to be any such information, but have you read this one? http://www.stellersystems.co.uk/wp-cont ... Design.pdf

[shark bait]

armament? like the BMT's offering its a blank canvas, the MOD can put what they want on there.

[marktigger]

same with systems and for an export friendly ship thats what you want

[R686]

I think arming UK escorts with US armaments/GTs are actually quite easy.

Actually that was one of the early design thought bubbles for the RAN AWD project, but was discounted as being to much risk.

Have no official source on that but remember the subject coming up in the projects early days from inside the RAN.

[ArmChairCivvy]

Swedish subs with US CMS & weapons was not a runaway success either?
- I think the next attempts by the Spaniards went quite OK
- emboldened, the Norwegians want Kongsberg on their German subs; based on the two above, is it like flipping the coin (for chances of success, amidst the complexity and bringing on extra cost, which will then (be attempted to) be contained at every turn - potentially leading to cutting corners

[hovematlot]

Defence debate in the House of Lords, Earl Howe the Defence Minister is now calling it the T31E as per the Sir John Parkers review.
He also stated the 'intention was to expand the destroyer frigate fleet above 19 hulls from the 2030s...'

[dmereifield]

^^ sounds positive, but I guess that depends on whether it turns out to be a credible platform or not. Shouldn't be too long to wait for the response to the NSS now!!!

[Thorvicson]

Nice, but can't help thinking they should get the ball rolling sooner rather than later on the Type 31 E, down select a design and build them in England at the likes of Cammell Laird, Appledore or Portsmouth. Gets those guys back into business, gets ships desperately needed into the RN and BAE Clyde can still build five in addition to the Type 26s (if they decide to stay in the union of course). That way we should see a net increase in the fleet by 2030s and match the current wave on new generation Light Frigates now popular across the world.

[shark bait]

They do need to get on with it! T31 only makes sense if its build in parallel.

They need to rip up the rule book to make that happen. The T26 model has been a massive failure, the FRES of the sea, they need to act fast to the lessons learned are still fresh and they can avoid those pitfalls.

[ArmChairCivvy]

T31 only makes sense if its build in parallel.

Hear, hear

[abc123]

They do need to get on with it! T31 only makes sense if its build in parallel.

They need to rip up the rule book to make that happen. The T26 model has been a massive failure, the FRES of the sea, they need to act fast to the lessons learned are still fresh and they can avoid those pitfalls.

Agreed. But, you can be 99,99% sure that HMG will NOT accept your ( or any other ) sensible and smart proposal.

[abc123]

Defence debate in the House of Lords, Earl Howe the Defence Minister is now calling it the T31E as per the Sir John Parkers review.
He also stated the 'intention was to expand the destroyer frigate fleet above 19 hulls from the 2030s...'

In situation when we don't know when will work start on Type 26 ( and it should start supposedly in a few months ), that's same as saying that they will never increase it.

Honourable Earl really has talent for stating alternative facts.

[Aethulwulf]

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... tract.html
Babcock secures US Coast Guard Cutter design support contract

Is this another Type 31 contender?

[ArmChairCivvy]

Babcock secures US Coast Guard Cutter design support contract

Part of that same consortium is VARD, whose Canadian design team produced this one, packed full of functionality
http://www.brinkworthmodels.com/models/MauritiusCG.html
even though it was actually built in Chile (for Mauritius).

The story does not end there: VARD is a Fincantieri company.

So Babcock can easily enter the T31 race, but what they do not have is a military fitting out capability, so can you make the vessels ready enough to be towed to the Clyde, for that "final finish"?
- I think this point was the reason for the pre-fitting out, all the way to cabling and such, being emphasised in the NSS report as being done already at the originating yard (even if it were sections to be delivered to the assembly& military fitting out location)

NOT LONG to go as we were left to believe that the RN would fill in the NSS report with detail and their intentions/ plan in...April
- don't expect the publication today, though!

[RichardIC]

Interestiing paper from BMT on the design philosophy behind the Venator.

http://www.bmtdsl.co.uk/media/6697773/B ... -Mar17.pdf

Has some things to say about the whole mission bay concept - possibly a hint toward why the Type 26 has got so damned expensive.

I'm still hoping the Venator is the only serious competitor in the Type 31 running. Some of the things they have to say about the partnership approach echo exactly what we've been hearing in commons select committees recently.

[Edwin]

Hi! My name is Edwin, and this`my first time in the fórum. I`m from Colombia.

Regards.

[Edwin]

Can you tell me where the topics from the colombian armed forces are?

Thanks in advance.

[The Armchair Soldier]

Can you tell me where the topics from the colombian armed forces are?

Thanks in advance.

Welcome to the UK Defence Forum, Edwin.

Non-UK defence discussion takes place within the Defence Elsewhere section of the board. I do not believe we have a topic yet for the Columbian Armed Forces but you are more than welcome to start one.

If you have any further questions please send me a private message.

[ArmChairCivvy]

I do not believe we have a topic yet for the Columbian Armed Forces but you are more than welcome to start one.

- we do, but it preceded the above msg only by a few hrs

[Smokey]

Babcock looking for T31 work

https://www.ft.com/content/3f2e15c4-408 ... 6b95f30f58

Copy the link into google and search under 'news' to defeat the paywall

[FuNsTeR]

Defence debate in the House of Lords, Earl Howe the Defence Minister is now calling it the T31E as per the Sir John Parkers review.
He also stated the 'intention was to expand the destroyer frigate fleet above 19 hulls from the 2030s...'

In situation when we don't know when will work start on Type 26 ( and it should start supposedly in a few months ), that's same as saying that they will never increase it.

Honourable Earl really has talent for stating alternative facts.

i have serious doubts we will build any type 26 the costs continue to spiral, unless BAE reduces the cost some how i reckon the type31 will end up as the replacements for the type 23, i hope i am proved wrong