Type 31 Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]

[benny14]

Definitely Mk41's on that mid-ship. No mushrooms.

Still would much prefer more than 12 CAMM though...

If 8x Mk41, then it could carry a mix of ASM, ASROC and quad packed CAMM in addition to the 12 at the front.
Having a MK41 cell would be the best thing for the vessel. It could carry out a ton of roles depending on what the Navy wanted it for.

My loadout would be for example, 4x ASM, 2x ASROC, 20x CAMM. Or go all CAMM and carry a total of 44 CAMM. If we continue using deck mounted ASM, then those extra four tubes could carry more CAMM.

[jonas]

Definitely Mk41's on that mid-ship. No mushrooms.

Still would much prefer more than 12 CAMM though...

If you go to 'resources' and download 'screen' example then zoom in, it actually appears that the forward vls silos and the midships upper deck cannister system have both been redacted. !!

[benny14]

Might just be my poor eyesight but there seems to me that mushrooms are present in this graphic

He is talking about the MK41 cells midship. Not the 12 mushroom CAMM cells at the front.

[RetroSicotte]

Might just be my poor eyesight but there seems to me that mushrooms are present in this graphic..

Was just referring to the shape of the midship VLS, rather than the mushroom farm on front. It has no mushrooms on it, implying the midship is Mk41.

[donald_of_tokyo]

My loadout would be for example, 4x ASM, 2x ASROC, 20x CAMM. Or go all CAMM and carry a total of 44 CAMM. If we continue using deck mounted ASM, then those extra four tubes could carry more CAMM.

Benny14-san. If you can quad-pack CAMM on Mk.41, it means RN adopts ExLS. If you have ExLS, we shall use it in the front SAM section, to make it capable to carry 48 CAMM. Then, you do not need any ExLS on Mk.41, I'm afraid.

[Ron5]

It's just a "me too".

Venator has a Mk 41 config so Leander has to have one too.

[RetroSicotte]

It's just a "me too".

Venator has a Mk 41 config so Leander has to have one too.

Pretty this much. It was a part of the export capability RFI anyway.

Preemptive, but lets not let it go to "we should give it..." territory here. :p

[CameronPerson]

Might just be my poor eyesight but there seems to me that mushrooms are present in this graphic..

Was just referring to the shape of the midship VLS, rather than the mushroom farm on front. It has no mushrooms on it, implying the midship is Mk41.

My bad, a case of reading only half a post!

[CameronPerson]

In relation to type 31e

[RetroSicotte]

Maybe things had to be more specific. I can't see any reason why you WOULDN'T want the Artisan, CAMM and DS30M at least shunted over.

[dmereifield]

Maybe things had to be more specific. I can't see any reason why you WOULDN'T want the Artisan, CAMM and DS30M at least shunted over.

Yes, but again we come back to how they are costed into the project - do they eat into the £250m cap or are they gifted (or valued at a nominal price)? I fear they will be costed in at their resale (whatever that is) value. So the question is what needs go in a build (and thus has to eat into the £250 budget) and what can be added later during a maintenence or light refit period (not midlife, but virtually asap after acceptance, or prior to first deployment in anycase)? That will be the free stuff I guess (e.g.CIWS, Harpoon, anything else???)...

Sorry, straying a little bit off news and into speculation territory

[Tempest414]

It would be nice to see something from Babcock's as to how their design is coming on

[Ron5]

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... -time.html

According to Twitter there's supposed to be a model of the Leander there but I've not seen any pictures of it.

[benny14]

According to Twitter there's supposed to be a model of the Leander there but I've not seen any pictures of it.

"According to BAE Systems, the Type 31e will be a highly capable multi-mission warship, designed to deliver the full range of warfare from complex combat operations to maritime security and humanitarian assistance"

"Using a flexible mission bay that can be reconfigured at short notice it can perform constabulary, disaster relief, maritime interdiction, counter-piracy and joint taskforce operations."

"At DIMDEX, Type 31e is shown fitted with a 76mm main gun, 12x VLS for Sea Ceptor, 8x Harpoon anti-ship missiles, Mk 41 VLS, 2x secondary artillery mounts and a Phalanx CIWS. Configuration is highly adaptable and depends on customer requirements."

"Type 31e basic specifications:
Displacement: 3,677 tonnes
Speed: 25+ knots
Range: in excess of 7500 nautical miles
Length: 117 meters
Beam: 14.6 meters
Crew: 98 (variable depending on requirements)
Accommodation: 138 berths"

Some good pictures from that article. Looks like it is from a slideshow.







http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... -time.html

[R686]

"According to BAE Systems, the Type 31e will be a highly capable multi-mission warship, designed to deliver the full range of warfare from complex combat operations to maritime security and humanitarian assistance"

"Using a flexible mission bay that can be reconfigured at short notice it can perform constabulary, disaster relief, maritime interdiction, counter-piracy and joint taskforce operations."

"At DIMDEX, Type 31e is shown fitted with a 76mm main gun, 12x VLS for Sea Ceptor, 8x Harpoon anti-ship missiles, Mk 41 VLS, 2x secondary artillery mounts and a Phalanx CIWS. Configuration is highly adaptable and depends on customer requirements."

"Type 31e basic specifications:
Displacement: 3,677 tonnes
Speed: 25+ knots
Range: in excess of 7500 nautical miles
Length: 117 meters
Beam: 14.6 meters
Crew: 98 (variable depending on requirements)
Accommodation: 138 berths"

Some good pictures from that article. Looks like it is from a slideshow.

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... -time.html

I had to check the title of the thread, I thought I was on the T26 thread when it stated talking about a multi-mission bay

[benny14]

I had to check the title of the thread, I thought I was on the T26 thread when it stated talking about a multi-mission bay

The Type 31 Leander design has a scaled down version of the Type 26 mission bay.

[dmereifield]

According to Twitter there's supposed to be a model of the Leander there but I've not seen any pictures of it.

"According to BAE Systems, the Type 31e will be a highly capable multi-mission warship, designed to deliver the full range of warfare from complex combat operations to maritime security and humanitarian assistance"

"Using a flexible mission bay that can be reconfigured at short notice it can perform constabulary, disaster relief, maritime interdiction, counter-piracy and joint taskforce operations."

"At DIMDEX, Type 31e is shown fitted with a 76mm main gun, 12x VLS for Sea Ceptor, 8x Harpoon anti-ship missiles, Mk 41 VLS, 2x secondary artillery mounts and a Phalanx CIWS. Configuration is highly adaptable and depends on customer requirements."

"Type 31e basic specifications:
Displacement: 3,677 tonnes
Speed: 25+ knots
Range: in excess of 7500 nautical miles
Length: 117 meters
Beam: 14.6 meters
Crew: 98 (variable depending on requirements)
Accommodation: 138 berths"

Some good pictures from that article. Looks like it is from a slideshow.

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... -time.html

Won't be getting all that for £250m though will we?

[Caribbean]

Won't be getting all that for £250m though will we?

Probably not the Harpoon - I'd guess it's there primarily to demonstrate that there is an upgrade path. Everything else is relatively cheap. The Mk 41s themselves are cheap - it's the control systems that cost (TLAMs mission planning and control system is around $40m, I believe). Personally I would prefer more CAMM tubes, but that could be remedied at a later point by replacing the mushrooms with ExLs.
I think that, structurally, the mission bay caused some design issues in the T26, which contributed to delay and cost, but that is (hopefully) solved now and the solution can be ported over, so I don't see it being particularly costly in the T31e - a mission bay is, after all, just a big empty space with a few cranes for moving stuff around and a means of tying everything down.

[Gabriele]

My guess is that the RN variant would not have any MK41 nor any SSM. Hopefully Sea Ceptor would feature. Phalanx, FFBNW.

The gun, i think that's going to be a tough one. Don't think they will fork out money for a new system such as the 76mm.

[shark bait]

30mm then!

[donald_of_tokyo]

76mm as a simple gun is very cheap, without any guided round. See how cheap the Beckett class Irish OPV is (I understand it is a reuse turret from Peacock class?). Reuse 76mm is plenty worldwide. "Non-smart" rounds are also plenty worldwide. Also, five units are not that small.

Dutch navy has six 76mm gun and four 127mm gun. Irish navy has six 76mm gun. Norwaian navy has five --> Eleven. Belgium Navy two. If T31e adopts 76mm, it is just "also RN has five". It is an issue, but not a big issue.

[EDIT] Sorry, Norwayan navy has 11.
[ADD] Portuguese Navy has six 76mm and three 100mm.

If we start to think about "smart" ammunitions, then the cost starts to rise quickly.

[RetroSicotte]

I think that's turning a little general in this topic. Over to the escorts thread, folks.

[Lord Jim]

Sticking one 8 cell Mk41 (Ideally two) on the design for the T-31e as part of its base line would make sense for both the RN and export variants. There will be room and the owner can decide how far they are utilised. ExLS will have court up by then and if the base line has the CMS preloaded for Sea Ceptor, it can be installed when funds are available. The key is it increases the commonality of hull types between the UK and export variants making it cheaper for everyone. The RN can leverage options form the choices made by export customers as to what in installed in the Mk41s and it frees up space.

As for the gun, any medium sized system would do be it 76mm, 57mm (my preference) or something else. The number of systems needed is small, but if the B2 Rivers are up gunned or possibly the new support vessels may be similarly equipped, the economies of scale, regardless of size would come into play. The 57mm is a better multirole weapon in my opinion, and the cost required to bring it to its maximum capability is probably less, especially as it can take on the role of a CIWS, with much greater effectiveness then Phalanx.

All the designs so far seen show a capable platform, and who knows, the RN might actually get something nearer these proposal by the time they are delivered, the cost increase per ship would be more than off set by the increase in capability.

[benny14]

I reckon the RN version will swap out the MK41 for CAMM cells. Giving it 12+8.

[seaspear]

Maybe this has been posted or released elsewhere, but what is the requirement of the R.N for this ship in its fit out and capabilities?