Type 31 Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]

[Caribbean]

Pretty mutch the same mission statement as the T21, until they grafted MATCH onto it at the last minute

[shark bait]

Primary roles in order as listed.
1) Counter drugs and counter piracy
2) Port visits
3) Official entertainment
4) "Demonstrations" of military capabilities
5) Training
6) Natural disasters, supply emergency relief stores (Two 20 feet ISO containers)

Summary;

Go shake the White Ensign at the natives by day, retire in the evening for gin and high fives.

[abc123]

with that mission statement why are we building t31 at all ,we may as well just keep the batch 1 river opv for that flag waving and training port visits etc they are just as capable as the totaly uninpressive t31 and save the money and just admit that they are cutting the rn escort fleet to 14 or 12 if they only build 6 type 26 as I think they are going too in reality O (mark my words folks oh and 6 astute but that's a different thread ) and just as everybody else is increasing there fleet ,its a total farse laurel and hardy could do better lol

Basicly this. Just add hangar on Rivers B2 ( and maybe 57 mm gun ) and that's it. Cheap as chips.

[Tempest414]

what is going on here is the RN trying hang on to the 8 type 26's and not lose any more of them to the type 31 I feel in the back ground type 31 will be more capable than people think. Arrow head 120 has room built in for a good armament fit but this is yet another case of not getting the best out a platform. We sore it with the Batch 2 Rivers witch could have been built with a hangar and fitted with a 57mm for about the same money but the RN and BAE did not want them to be seem as frigate replacements and we are now seeing the same with type 31 the RN fear if it looks or sounds that it is close to a type 26 they will lose more of them this has to stop. And HMG need to set the number of type 26's in stone and get on with making type 31 the best it can be and what it should be is a well armed patrol frigate with a 76mm main gun 8 quad pack camm cells 2 30mm guns and 4 50cal plus a wildcat / NH90 capable hangar with a 28 to 30 knot top speed and 8000 nm plus range at 18 knots

[donald_of_tokyo]

with that mission statement why are we building t31 at all ,we may as well just keep the batch 1 river opv for that flag waving and training port visits etc they are just as capable as the totaly uninpressive t31 and save the money and just admit that they are cutting the rn escort fleet to 14 or 12 if they only build 6 type 26 as I think they are going too in reality O (mark my words folks oh and 6 astute but that's a different thread ) and just as everybody else is increasing there fleet ,its a total farse laurel and hardy could do better lol

Basicly this. Just add hangar on Rivers B2 ( and maybe 57 mm gun ) and that's it. Cheap as chips.

On this issue, I am in the same stance as Caribbean-san's comment, in escort thread. A 2000t vessel cannot operate helps when the weather is "a little" bad. 4000t is thus needed.
Just for refer.

everything could be carried out by Rivers for a fraction of the price.

Only it couldn't. The Rivers proved to be a bit of an irrelevance in the Caribbean. All they served to do was to reinforce the impression that a small ship, with a small crew and without a helicopter is pretty much useless as a singleton. The USCG have comparable cutters to the Rivers and they deploy them in numbers (there are c. 27 USCG Reliance and Famous class cutters, with crews of 75 and 100 respectively), backed by the USN and fixed-wing patrol aircraft. The Rivers are unlikely to be deployed as singletons in anything other than the most benign of environments (i.e. the Med and Caribbean) where they have the prospect of immediate back-up from allied forces (and that's not for combat, that's for ordinary maritime security roles). The T31 is intended to operate as a singleton, able to carry out maritime security roles without backup and capable of engaging (defensively) in and surviving surface, air and even submarine attack (hence the requirements for Main gun, CIWS, PDMS, helicopter, SSTD, decoys, CBRB citadel, armoured crew and magazines areas etc, etc.).
...

One thing I shall add is, T31e is just like Floreal-class. It is armed as a corvette of the day (Floreal has a gun, SSM and helo, added with ESM/Chaff/Flare kit, FFBNW SADRAL/MISTRAL (now some with SIMBAD), CMS, so-so radar, and so-so good communication = typical of the corvette of the day), but with good sea going capability with 3000t hull. They do good job around Pacific, Indian Ocean, and West Indies.
T31e looks like armed as a typical heavy corvette of the day (say, Khareef itself), with good sea going capabilities and with a mission bay. Not having SSM is covered by having a Wildcat, which can be efficiently used with 4000t good hull.

[Ron5]

General Purpose Frigate,

IMHO, a General Purpose ship should be able to make all kinds of combat operations, against enemy ships, aircrafts, missiles, land targets, submarines etc- more or less good in any of these roles. Something like Burke class.

So, Type 31 could be named say, Patrol Frigate, but in no way- a General Purpose.

General Purpose (note capitalized) has a specific meaning in the Royal Navy. It means an escort which is neither optimized for ASW or for AAW.

An AB would not fall into that category at all. Its primary mission is AAW so it would be classified as a destroyer. Just like they are.

[Ron5]

Pretty mutch the same mission statement as the T21, until they grafted MATCH onto it at the last minute

No, not at all.

[Ron5]

On this issue, I am in the same stance as Caribbean-san's comment, in escort thread. A 2000t vessel cannot operate helps when the weather is "a little" bad. 4000t is thus needed.

It's not the displacement, it's the length that gives sea keeping. 120m is the sweet spot according to BMT. Read their paper on the subject available on their website. It's why they increased the length of their Venator offering.

[abc123]

General Purpose Frigate,

IMHO, a General Purpose ship should be able to make all kinds of combat operations, against enemy ships, aircrafts, missiles, land targets, submarines etc- more or less good in any of these roles. Something like Burke class.

So, Type 31 could be named say, Patrol Frigate, but in no way- a General Purpose.

General Purpose (note capitalized) has a specific meaning in the Royal Navy. .

Yeah, I know. Just another example of Orvellian Newspeak...

The word blackwhite denotes the Newspeak user's ability to believe that black is white, to know that black is white, and to forget that one has ever believed the contrary.

[Ron5]

General Purpose Frigate,

IMHO, a General Purpose ship should be able to make all kinds of combat operations, against enemy ships, aircrafts, missiles, land targets, submarines etc- more or less good in any of these roles. Something like Burke class.

So, Type 31 could be named say, Patrol Frigate, but in no way- a General Purpose.

General Purpose (note capitalized) has a specific meaning in the Royal Navy. .

Yeah, I know. Just another example of Orvellian Newspeak...

The word blackwhite denotes the Newspeak user's ability to believe that black is white, to know that black is white, and to forget that one has ever believed the contrary.

No, not at all.

They use "general" to differentiate from "specific". AAW and ASW are specific purposes.

I think you are confusing "general purpose" with "all purpose" but I'll excuse you as English is not your first language.

[RetroSicotte]

Guys, chill it out. News thread. Please take it to PM, or we will consider deleting posts after my own one here.

[Ron5]

Chill what out? I was explaining the Royal Navy use of the term "general purpose" to a contributor that lives outside of the UK. The title of this topic includes the term.

[abc123]

General Purpose Frigate,

IMHO, a General Purpose ship should be able to make all kinds of combat operations, against enemy ships, aircrafts, missiles, land targets, submarines etc- more or less good in any of these roles. Something like Burke class.

So, Type 31 could be named say, Patrol Frigate, but in no way- a General Purpose.

General Purpose (note capitalized) has a specific meaning in the Royal Navy. .

Yeah, I know. Just another example of Orvellian Newspeak...

The word blackwhite denotes the Newspeak user's ability to believe that black is white, to know that black is white, and to forget that one has ever believed the contrary.

No, not at all.

They use "general" to differentiate from "specific". AAW and ASW are specific purposes.

I think you are confusing "general purpose" with "all purpose" but I'll excuse you as English is not your first language.

Yeah, maybe it's my lack of English skills, and maybe it's a newspeak.

[Caribbean]

Yeah, maybe it's my lack of English skills, and maybe it's a newspeak

It's not newspeak

[abc123]

Yeah, maybe it's my lack of English skills, and maybe it's a newspeak

It's not newspeak

OK, let's agree to disagree.

[Lord Jim]

According to Defence News, the T-26s are each to get three eight cell Mk41s and it appears ExLS for their missile load out. Not sure if this is gospel but good news if true.

[RetroSicotte]

According to Defence News, the T-26s are each to get three eight cell Mk41s and it appears ExLS for their missile load out. Not sure if this is gospel but good news if true.

The Defense News article says no such thing.

The only mention of ExLS is in reference to the CAMM tests, not to whats going on T26.

[Lord Jim]

Why does the T-26 need 24 VL silos if it is not going to fire Sea Ceptor from them. Seems an awful lot for weapons systems we haven't even decided on?

[Lord Jim]

My fault, put my last post regarding the T-26 on here by mistake!

[RetroSicotte]

Hah, I actually did the same thing. Read your post and never even noticed which thread it was in.

[benny14]

"BAE Systems showcases Type 31e design to international audiences at DIMDEX 2018"

https://www.baesystems.com/en/article/b ... imdex-2018

[SKB]

[RetroSicotte]

Definitely Mk41's on that mid-ship. No mushrooms.

Still would much prefer more than 12 CAMM though...

[donald_of_tokyo]

Time for analysis.

1: Armaments (no change from many existing analysis)
- 1x 76mm gun, 12x CAMM (in mushroom), 8 Harpoon SSM, 1x 8-cell Mk.41 VLS, 2x 30mm gun, 1x 20mm CIWS.
- 4x chaff/flare launcher, 1x gun FCS, 2x CAMM datalink, 1x Artisan, 2x ASW decoy, 2x RAS rig, 1x Wildcat Helo.

2: About the mission bay (from bow)
- 2x T45-like boat davit/crane, 2x River B2 like RHIB davit, and 1x River B2 like 16t(?) crane.
Although the 1st davit/crane carries RHIB now, it looks like it has more space. 9m-lomg Offshore Raiding Craft of RM will be OK. Even a 12m-long RHIB (Dutch Holland-class carries one) might be OK.
- A 20ft container in the image has no "access way" other than its top. On the top, there is a structure, slightly offset to starboard. After the Mk.41 VLS, I think there is a container hatch, because it is the only way to answer why there is a 16t crane on port side. I also guess the 2 containers required in RFI will be mounted as, the 2nd container mounted on top of the 1st one. If not, you do not need to "raise" the hatch so high.

(Note that BMT's Venator 110 has an amidship mission bay to carry 2 ISO containers in parallel. In this case, the opening has no hatch and we can see a "hole", showing 2 containers' roofs at the bottom.)

leander_mission_bay.jpg

[CameronPerson]

Definitely Mk41's on that mid-ship. No mushrooms.

Still would much prefer more than 12 CAMM though...

Might just be my poor eyesight but there seems to me that mushrooms are present in this graphic..

"BAE Systems showcases Type 31e design to international audiences at DIMDEX 2018"

https://www.baesystems.com/en/article/b ... imdex-2018