Type 31 Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]

[Roders96]

2bn EUR, this puts the price of a T31 with 32 camm at roughly £360m.

Not bad i'd say.

[RichardIC]

A British company is trying to sell a Danish design, constructed in Greece to the Polish Navy

Type 31/Arrowhead 140 is a British development of a Danish design. It's now a British design.

[Caribbean]

Euros - I would think. 500m Euro per ship, including a slightly better level of equipment, plus a multi-year support package. In the same ball-park, as they say.

[Jdam]

A British company is trying to sell a Danish design, constructed in Greece to the Polish Navy

Type 31/Arrowhead 140 is a British development of a Danish design. It's now a British design.

Has it been released how much of the design has change from the Iver Huitfeldt-class frigates?


500m Euro per ship, just seems a bit expensive compared to what we are paying, I know we are repurposing some equipment but I assume the lower overheads in Greece would help drive the costs down.

[abc123]

Considering that only France did show support against Turkey recently, IMHO it would be stupid for Greeks to buy anything than French frigates...

[serge750]

500m Euro per ship, just seems a bit expensive compared to what we are paying, I know we are repurposing some equipment but I assume the lower overheads in Greece would help drive the costs down.[/quote]


Would that also include the costs to set up the production line in Greece & support costs ?

Does anybody know how much the 76mm is compared to our 57mm also the 36 CAMM per ship from new must cost a lot more than the 12 the RN are getting....

Atleast if the Hellinic navy go for the T31, they will be reasonably equipped with harpoon type missiles aswell

[Ron5]

Considering that only France did show support against Turkey recently, IMHO it would be stupid for Greeks to buy anything than French frigates...

France showing support and actually providing it are two different things as so many Arab nations found out.

[dmereifield]

If this were to go ahead, presumably we'd see HMG underwrite the deal or provide a loan as per the potential Ukrainian deal??

[Lord Jim]

If it became a total package as suggested, 4 General Purpose Frigates (T-31), 3-4 Interim Frigates (T-23) and the modernisations of the Mekos it would be a very valuable and interesting programme.

[Roders96]

I've seen it in all the stories I've read this quarter that T31 in uk service will have 24 camm.

[Jensy]

I've seen it in all the stories I've read this quarter that T31 in uk service will have 24 camm.

I'll admit, not the most conclusive evidence but:

The rather impressive, large scale Amalgam model had every permutation of VLS but a 12-cell launcher. Seems odd that they would ignore such an module if the RN was expecting that exact specification.

I am yet to see any negatives in this story (if accurately reported), though do wonder if it would be in everyone's interests to divert two T31s from the Rosyth line, following two GP T23s sent ASAP. Will give more time to set up a line in Greece, perhaps adjust the production schedule at Rosyth and allow the Royal Navy some breathing room.

[Clive F]

Do we have 4 GP T23 we could give without being embarrassed about there condition.

[Scimitar54]

Euros € not Pounds £.

[donald_of_tokyo]

Basically good news, but even if this sales works, it will contribute almost NOTHING to Rosyth. Yes for training at Greek, some staffs will go there, and some initial block may be built in Rosyth, but most of the staff are unrelated...

[Ron5]

Basically good news, but even if this sales works, it will contribute almost NOTHING to Rosyth. Yes for training at Greek, some staffs will go there, and some initial block may be built in Rosyth, but most of the staff are unrelated...

Would be very good for Babcocks so indirectly that benefits Rosyth.

Not going to happen tho. The great democratic EEC will not allow it. Greek arms will be twisted.

[Scimitar54]

Grexit back on?

[The Armchair Soldier]

Along with today's announcement, the Defence Secretary stated the government was committed to building "the next generation of frigates, the Type 32".

It seems to be the belief that these are just "export versions" of the Type 31, so I've added Type 32 to the topic title. Freel free to discuss any news regarding it here.

New Type 32 frigate topic created: viewtopic.php?f=41&t=1097

[Roders96]

Maybe Type32 is Type31-e!?

Spin for spins sake.

[Lord Jim]

Or was teh Defence Secretary getting his twos and threes mixed up during the interview?

[The Armchair Soldier]

Watching Boris at PMQ's, I think he only mentioned the Type 32 in the context of his "shipbuilding renaissance" and said the RN would have a fleet of 8 Type 26 and 5 Type 31. I don't remember there being any mention of the 32 in RN service. Seems more like an export derivative of a design that was already supposed to be geared towards exports .

[Roders96]

Watching Boris at PMQ's, I think he only mentioned the Type 32 in the context of his "shipbuilding renaissance" and said the RN would have a fleet of 8 Type 26 and 5 Type 31. I don't remember there being any mention of the 32 in RN service. Seems more like an export derivative of a design that was already supposed to be geared towards exports .

Make no mistake the link between a Tory No10 and the Telegraph is a strong one, especially on Comms. Wouldn't be in there in a long read announcement like that if it wasn't true.

Could yet be canned in another financial Armageddon, which is on the way, but it is clear the govt expects another batch of T3x for RN service.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... -spending/

[RetroSicotte]

If I had to take a guess, build them for the navy, so they can then sell them "ready from the ranks" to nations, like what France did with FREMM.

[Max Jones]

Assuming these new Type 32s are GP due to the 30 series designation, could they possibly be a slightly adjusted reconfiguration of the initial Type 31 design?

If they are intended to operate alongside the other two classes, it seems like a quick way to get them into service within the 2030s would be using the same basic Arrowhead 140 design and outfitting them for different specialised missions such as land-attack, humanitarian missions or anti-ship warfare.

[abc123]

Considering that only France did show support against Turkey recently, IMHO it would be stupid for Greeks to buy anything than French frigates...

France showing support and actually providing it are two different things as so many Arab nations found out.

Yes, but the others didn't do even that...

[Roders96]

They're definitely likely to go for the lowest risk option, and this may mean the T32 is quite close to the Iver Huidtfelt in Danish service.

This would be a fantastic thing, ofcourse.