Timmymagic wrote:benny14 wrote:2 squadrons acheive full operating capacity. 36 is for surge, I imagine it will be tried sometime after 2023 in the form of briefly embarking the OCU or a USMC squadron for training purposes.
It will be a while after that. We've got 35 F-35B on order or delivered to the end of 2022. That will give us 3 non-operational test aircraft in the US in 17(R) sqn and 32 split between 6 in 207 Sqn OCU, 12 in 617 Sqn and the depth fleet of 14 a/c (presumably we'll be standing up a UK Reserve Squadron as the holding area for those). For 809 NAS to stand up we need to order 13-16 more in 2020 if we want them operational by the end of 2024 (the difference in numbers is if we want to count the 3 test aircraft in the 48 number bandied about). And even then to run a 2 x 12 operational, 6 x OCU +3 test we would need more than 15-18 in the depth fleet.
serge750 wrote:Does the "depth fleet" mean these airframes are the ones in constant maintenance on a rotation basis? i.e. 2 x 12 squadrons, 1 x 6 OCU then the remainder in the "depth fleet" in constant maintanace? except 3 x in 17 squadron. so 30 operational ?
SW1 wrote:You could also have a 3rd smaller group of a/c within that which are at theatre entry standard that have specific modifications.
Scimitar54 wrote:There will be more motion with a CAMM silo up forward on a smaller ship (Type23 for example), but I accept that vertical movement of the silo may need to be taken into account against the height at which the "cold launch" ends and the missile propellant ignites. Forward movement of the ship should help. Perhaps a variant of "Fire on the up Roll" may still have an application today.
swoop wrote:It would be interesting to see how well the active stabilisers are performing
Lord Jim wrote:Well it has been stated that they QE was too stable during the deployment across the Atlantic that they couldn't carry out some of the F-35 flight operations tests they wanted to. They are hoping for far worse weather next time.
ArmChairCivvy wrote:But some further thoughts on how the "loadout" on the two carriers, with a lot! of capacity, could be better:
When our carriers were mainly of WW2 design (if not of construction, because so many of them sprung back to life much later)... that led to some ingenious carrier a/c designs that would work within those (size) limits.
Not that we should pull out of F-35 but what else (cheaper, smaller) to load out to make the whole thing - carrier strike that is, no doubt they can be amphib substitutes... while we are waiting money's worth. So "now" rather than in ten years' time. Provocatively
- we should never have dropped Gannet, but rather proceeded with the version using counter-rotating propellers
- that one (one crew member added too, not just improving on how long it could stay up).
I used the std Gannet as a yardstick for how much space will be required, respectively, in the max folded config (in the hangar, lifts):
(U)K Phantom II 1.8
F-14 Tomcat 2.7
So the cousins only bothered in the age of dumb bombs (Skyhawk) and after that rather built bigger ships than shrink the performance. Just like with Skyhawks (numbers!) keeping the AEW up there 24/7 numbers might come in handy, rather than maximising the performance - and surely that has not been done with the choice of a helo-based solution as the ceiling is so drastically curtailed - numbers, numbers... which translates to size (in the hangar).
Jake1992 wrote:Is this testament to how good she is or just how calm the weather was lo
Lord Jim wrote:Jake1992 wrote:Is this testament to how good she is or just how calm the weather was lo
Opinion was she was too stable for stability when operating aircraft trails to be useful which was seen as a credit to the ships design and a negative as they would have to do the trails on the next trip.
The Armchair Soldier wrote:Apaches join HMS Queen Elizabeth for the first time:
RichardIC wrote:Is that the floatation gear on the inner pylons?
The Armchair Soldier wrote:Apaches join HMS Queen Elizabeth for the first time
An Apache Attack Helicopter belonging to 656 Sqn Army Air Corps has made its debut landing aboard the 65,000-tonne flagship of the Royal Navy - HMS Queen Elizabeth.
Under Joint Helicopter Command, the Attack Helicopter will begin a series of tests and evaluations in what is known as the Platform Ship Integration Testing or PSITs for short.
Over a three-day period, the Apache will be assessed for its compatibility with the ship’s operating systems – how it’s manoeuvred around the flight deck and in the cavernous hangars below, maintenance and arming, testing on the giant lifts which bring the aircraft up on deck, along with a host of other tests.
Once the PSITs have been successfully negotiated in Portsmouth, HMS Queen Elizabeth will take to sea with Apache aboard for its sea trials in July where it will conduct landings and take-offs from a pitching and rolling deck.
Only on completion of this,. will the Apaches be officially certified to be able to operate from both HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince of Wales, when she becomes operational.
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