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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby serge750 » 23 Apr 2019, 19:59

Does that mean we could of bought 6-7 for our QEC ? 7000 crew for about the same air complement ?
but how many would of survived a UK SDSR.....3 at most :lol:

OK there are also drawbacks only having 2 platforms but Seems like the RN might be on a winner if we can keep em for 40yrs+ if they did cut a QEC it would be a major blow for the UK military standing in the world. whereas 6-7 smaller one could be salami sliced for years...

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby RetroSicotte » 24 Apr 2019, 09:30

Jake1992 wrote:
Aethulwulf wrote:I thought it was interesting to see that QEC is about 2.5 times the displacement of Izumo, but able to operate 3.6 times the number of F35.


This always has me question what is the real tonnage of the QEs I keep see mainly 2 weights 65,000t and 70,600t Iv even seem that PoW is 72,000t but a lot less often than the other figures.
Now I know there’s different tons but each Iv seen has said metric tons.

Does anyone know for sure what the actual weight is ?

The difference is in ton measurements.

65k tonnes is roughly about 70k+ short tons, which is a common unit of measurement in the US. But in general people tend to think "tons" is just a singular thing, and thus you get these debating numbers.

Wikipedia is horrendous for people making this error and having mismatches amounts everywhere by accident, or in purpose to try and make their preferences look "bigger".

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Jake1992 » 24 Apr 2019, 09:34

RetroSicotte wrote:
Jake1992 wrote:
Aethulwulf wrote:I thought it was interesting to see that QEC is about 2.5 times the displacement of Izumo, but able to operate 3.6 times the number of F35.


This always has me question what is the real tonnage of the QEs I keep see mainly 2 weights 65,000t and 70,600t Iv even seem that PoW is 72,000t but a lot less often than the other figures.
Now I know there’s different tons but each Iv seen has said metric tons.

Does anyone know for sure what the actual weight is ?

The difference is in ton measurements.

65k tonnes is roughly about 70k+ short tons, which is a common unit of measurement in the US. So people tend to compare UK ships in tonnes to US ships in short tons, making the US ones appear larger than they actually are.


As I mentioned above each displacement quote Iv read on many different sites have all said metric tons for the measurement but gave a different figure, now clearly someone’s got to be wrong.

I do remember though that the QE had came out a good deal heavier than her planed displacement which I believe was meant to be around the 65,000t mark.

It’s also similar with other measurements of the class with seeing both 280m and 284m for length and 70m and 73m for beam. Now I know these are only small difference and I might be just a niggle of mine but it’d be nice to know the true measurements. :lol:

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby PhillyJ » 24 Apr 2019, 10:03

Jake1992 wrote:It’s also similar with other measurements of the class with seeing both 280m and 284m for length and 70m and 73m for beam. Now I know these are only small difference and I might be just a niggle of mine but it’d be nice to know the true measurements. :lol:
I'll get my Son to source a tape measure and check for you as he is up at Rosyth and tells me he is bored waiting on HMS POW to be ready, so needs something to do. Not sure he can get the weight for you though! :lol:

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Jake1992 » 24 Apr 2019, 10:35

PhillyJ wrote:
Jake1992 wrote:It’s also similar with other measurements of the class with seeing both 280m and 284m for length and 70m and 73m for beam. Now I know these are only small difference and I might be just a niggle of mine but it’d be nice to know the true measurements. :lol:
I'll get my Son to source a tape measure and check for you as he is up at Rosyth and tells me he is bored waiting on HMS POW to be ready, so needs something to do. Not sure he can get the weight for you though! :lol:


The length and width would be a good start keep him busy :lol:

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby SKB » 25 Apr 2019, 11:48

I wonder if QE will be back in Portsmouth for 5th June? Because Donald Trump is visiting that day.

And...

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby serge750 » 28 Apr 2019, 18:53

Something from HMSQELZ twitter account..

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Postby SKB » 28 Apr 2019, 21:57

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby R686 » 29 Apr 2019, 16:55

I see the Goliath crane is still on site, wasn't it put up for sale?

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby inch » 30 Apr 2019, 10:18

When the next series of qe programs supposed to be aired ,can't be long now ?

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Jensy » 30 Apr 2019, 16:12

Looks like Turkey won't be joining the carrier club anytime soon:



Accidents seem relatively common amongst shipbuilders both for NATO navies and globally but thankfully not here in a long time.

Amazing to think that the Carrier Alliance has almost delivered two gigantic carriers, of a brand-new design, in a safe and largely smooth process, without any accidents or fires. Truly something for all the shipyards involved to be proud of.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby WhiteWhale » 30 Apr 2019, 18:54

I thoguht there was a fire early on? While the ship was still in blocks...

Unless memory is playing tricks.

Edit: Yarp. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland- ... e-27713375


In other 'aircraft carriers on fire news' the Soviet rip-off job the Indians got stuck with also had one last week, where unfortunatly a sailor died.

http://punjabnewsexpress.com/national/n ... 88123.aspx

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby RetroSicotte » 01 May 2019, 09:26

Lot of reports indicate the one man who died there was the man leading the firefighting teams, getting others out, and ultimately defeating it before it spread.

I've listened to some ex-RN guys talk about some old fire incidents, and those who choose to enter a fire zone on a ship when it gets to a lethal status are some monumentally brave people. Bravo Zulu, and RIP, to that man.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Timmymagic » 01 May 2019, 09:36

Jensy wrote:Accidents seem relatively common amongst shipbuilders both for NATO navies and globally but thankfully not here in a long time.


There was the crane collapse at A & P when the first Tide Class came in for fit out. Didn't damage the ship or hurt anyone, but that was more blind luck...

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Jake1992 » 01 May 2019, 18:04

Well that’s the QEs at risk again long with the T26 numbers now that Williams has been sacked

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Tempest414 » 01 May 2019, 18:32

more over the Albion's could be back on the block

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Jake1992 » 01 May 2019, 18:43

Lost confidence in his ability, that’s rich coming from her all over the hawia leaks even though she’s the nut job pushing for it here against everyone’s advice.

It’s also allowed here to get rid of someone who opposes here brexit deal.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby PhillyJ » 02 May 2019, 00:10

Jake1992 wrote:Well that’s the QEs at risk again long with the T26 numbers now that Williams has been sacked
Well perhaps with Penny Mordaunt being elevated to Defence Secretary, who I think is still a Navy Reservist and current Pompey MP, maybe not as bad as it could have been...the RAF may be feeling a bit wobbly though! :lolno:

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Poiuytrewq » 02 May 2019, 07:31

PhillyJ wrote:....the RAF may be feeling a bit wobbly...
Has the chances of getting 90+ F35B's just increased?

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Jake1992 » 02 May 2019, 07:52

Everything is up in the air at the moment until we see if she is strong against the treasury even the QEs are at risk right now, if she’s weak then we’re fucked

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby RetroSicotte » 02 May 2019, 16:09

Whether the accusations against Williamson are true or not is irrelevant, they are happy to be rid of someone pushing the treasury and rocking the boat.

The chances that they brought someone in who will toe the line a lot more are pretty high. Whether it'll be as bad as Hammond or Fallon was to just bend over every time remains to be seen.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Jake1992 » 02 May 2019, 16:42

I think it’s more that she’s been planing this for a while with how quick his replacement was appointed but needed a good reason. It’s clearly due to him not towing the line with cuts but also on her brexit plan where he’s openly said a no deal would be better than the current plan, but she couldn’t use these as legitimate reason as she’d be torn to bits.

What really does worry me now though is we could see the Albion’s go but even worse the real fear of PoW being sold to india for next to note for them to convert to Cat & Trap

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Digger22 » 02 May 2019, 17:29

Not that I want her sold to India for a second, but it would be interesting to know how much a CATnTRAP conversion would actually cost them. But I can already hear the groans!

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby inch » 06 May 2019, 00:23

wonder if india is actually going to go for it and buy the plans for the qe design ? as I said before I think there might be a very good chance, its just perfect for what they are after with mods to there needs.i think it could be following type 26 and be another great british export even if its only the design/plans .not so sure about the t31 tho I think that's a rubbish idea in my own view ,but hey many will say im wrong and they could be right .but fingers crossed folks for the qe design for india

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby SKB » 06 May 2019, 16:50

New images from MoD/DIO showing upgrade work to Victory Jetty in Portsmouth.
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