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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby serge750 » 19 Apr 2019, 20:31

They could initially put arrester gear on her & other mods and use her for the Mig 29k and their indigenous light plane in STOBAR mod until they sort out a full CATOBAR conversion and the planes they will operate...but I really think it's such a low chance of selling one of the carriers, i'm sure after IAC 1 they will definatly want to build another carrier to keep up with the made in india tag.

Fingers crossed !!!

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Digger22 » 19 Apr 2019, 21:41

We could just sell them our F35's too :crazy: It's the British way.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby serge750 » 19 Apr 2019, 23:08

I really hope the politicians aren't reading this ! or them short term treasury gits

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Scimitar54 » 19 Apr 2019, 23:19

Ideal candidates to be press ganged. :mrgreen:

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby dmereifield » 20 Apr 2019, 20:04

Digger22 wrote:We could just sell them our F35's too :crazy: It's the British way.


The Indian requirement would be greater than the number we have...

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby bobp » 20 Apr 2019, 20:32

Of course we could throw in the wardroom silver. You do realise that Hammond and co would keep the dosh.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Scimitar54 » 21 Apr 2019, 01:19

Perhaps the deal that the Treasury have in mind is to swap HMSQE & F35bs with cash adjustment, in exchange for the ex. HMS Hermes & some SHARs. Seems to be about the limit of our current crop of "Bean Counters". :mrgreen:

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Digger22 » 21 Apr 2019, 19:01

Our negotiators would probably end up paying some money to the Indians too, and then argue that we have saved money. :lol:

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Digger22 » 21 Apr 2019, 19:03

A tad disappointed that despite QE being in dry dock for two weeks we have had no news.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby inch » 21 Apr 2019, 20:33

Aye I wonder if they found any problems in dry dock or all Great guns ?

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Lord Jim » 21 Apr 2019, 21:16

They are probably gong over her with a magnifying glass to see how everything has held up after her initial operations, being the first of the class and all that. In that respect, no news is good news.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby seaspear » 21 Apr 2019, 23:36

I haven't read of the work done during the dry docking and was curious if this may have included paintwork on the side that had been erased

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby donald_of_tokyo » 22 Apr 2019, 15:59

Not directly RN QNLZ issue, but French CGD "inside" video here is very impressive. We will be seeing RN version of this kind of movie within 2 years?


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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby cyrilranch » 22 Apr 2019, 17:01

donald_of_tokyo wrote:Not directly RN QNLZ issue, but French CGD "inside" video here is very impressive. We will be seeing RN version of this kind of movie within 2 years?



Note the 2 16 cell SAM sites near the E2A planes,
Needed for the QE class carriers ASAP if taking a cruise in the south China sea.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Digger22 » 22 Apr 2019, 17:38

Should I be surprised that CdG's displays are in English? And I wonder what sea state that remote aircraft handling system can be used?

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby serge750 » 22 Apr 2019, 17:54

Maybe there will be a film crew for the follow on trials of the F35 on westlant 19? fingers crossed

Would be good to see her meet up with CdeG when in the med going to the far east on her first deployment...

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Qwerty » 22 Apr 2019, 18:09

Digger22 wrote:Should I be surprised that CdG's displays are in English? And I wonder what sea state that remote aircraft handling system can be used?


The international language of communication for maritime and aviation is English.

If you read the read the English straight off the display you won’t have to translate it.

(The language of Diplomacy is French)

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Poiuytrewq » 22 Apr 2019, 19:44

donald_of_tokyo wrote:Needed for the QE class carriers ASAP if taking a cruise in the south China sea.
Along with a couple of Type 45's :thumbup:

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Lord Jim » 22 Apr 2019, 20:00

I do like the Robotic Aircraft Tractor. Must be a great space saver. Also interesting that they have, like the USN, a UETF on board the carrier.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby bobp » 22 Apr 2019, 20:40

cyrilranch wrote:Not directly RN QNLZ issue, but French CGD "inside" video here is very impressive. We will be seeing RN version of this kind of movie within 2 years?


Enjoyed the CdG tour, nice to see areas such as the Engine workshop and test area. Also garbage disposal and L:aundry in action.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Aethulwulf » 23 Apr 2019, 15:24

Not directly a QEC issue, but Flight Global has an interesting short analysis of the Japanese Izumo carriers.

"Fully loaded, the Izumo class ships displace 27,000 tonnes, which compares with 22,000 tonnes for the Royal Navy’s former Invincible class. The ships will reportedly carry about 10 F-35Bs in addition to helicopters and, possibly, the Bell Boeing V-22 Osprey, which Japan is also obtaining."

MODIFICATION WORK

“There may be issues of having to provide extra workshop facilities, redesigning weapons magazines, and in particular providing all the necessary support for the F-35B’s considerable surveillance and reconnaissance capabilities,” says Childs. “Also adding further heat resistance to the flight deck. The Japanese may also have to decide whether or not they want to equip the Izumo class with a ski-jump ramp like the British, but unlike the Americans.”

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/analysis-izumo-and-kaga-aircraft-carriers-in-all-457571/

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Ron5 » 23 Apr 2019, 16:54

Article is a bit thin as it's solely based on the uninformed guesses of a couple of media watchers. Not sure why they think it was a secret that the class could accept Harrier/F-35B type aircraft.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Aethulwulf » 23 Apr 2019, 17:21

I thought it was interesting to see that QEC is about 2.5 times the displacement of Izumo, but able to operate 3.6 times the number of F35.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Jake1992 » 23 Apr 2019, 17:45

Aethulwulf wrote:I thought it was interesting to see that QEC is about 2.5 times the displacement of Izumo, but able to operate 3.6 times the number of F35.


This always has me question what is the real tonnage of the QEs I keep see mainly 2 weights 65,000t and 70,600t Iv even seem that PoW is 72,000t but a lot less often than the other figures.
Now I know there’s different tons but each Iv seen has said metric tons.

Does anyone know for sure what the actual weight is ?

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby SW1 » 23 Apr 2019, 17:45

Assuming of course the speculation about 10a/c is correct and also assuming that 10 isn’t some sort of norm they expect to carry. Given the Japanese say the ship was only supposed to carry a handful of helicopters we will need to wait and see.

But it highlights the usefulness of the vertical takeoff version and the effect of deploying a sqn of jets has on an area when very few outside the US can deploy any more than that.

Mind you as the Japan have been averaging about 1000 qra interceptions per year for the last few years you can see why dispersing assets is high up the list

The Japanese ship also cost about 1b pounds according to the best available info on the web so quite a bit cheaper. Donald may know more as his part of the world


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