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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby SKB » 09 Dec 2018, 19:25

I just noticed that QE will be berthing bows south at Princess Royal Jetty tomorrow.
https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/qhm/portsm ... 10/12/2018

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Postby Timmymagic » 10 Dec 2018, 10:57

topman wrote:I guess a lot, like everything, hinges on manpower levels. Which trade builds them in the Navy?


I interpreted the 6 PW4 an hour as 6 PW4 per weapons prep cell, of which there are quite a few. The warheads appear to be delivered by the HMWHS in blocks of 6 so it would make sense.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby SKB » 10 Dec 2018, 13:01



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QE is being followed by RFA Tidespring

QE's AIS is also on. https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/ho ... 37/zoom:12

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby SKB » 10 Dec 2018, 13:47

Westlant 18 was 3 months and 22 days long (18 August 2018 - 10 December 2018), or a total of 114 days.

RFA Tidespring has gone to Stokes Bay.

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(Dominic Notley) 10 Dec 2018

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Postby SKB » 10 Dec 2018, 16:02

Shaun Roster has released another set of QE photos:
https://www.shaunroster.com/MILITARY/HM ... omecoming/

Shaun Roster also shot this drone footage (sped up) of QE's arrival:


^ Notice how the Daily Fail calls Westlant 18 as EASTLANT 18 :roll:

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Postby SKB » 10 Dec 2018, 16:54

Some photos from Amy Savage (@AmzJS13) presumably taken from the rooftop of the Portsmouth Royal Navy Museum?
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^ King's Steps Jetty (foreground) and South Railway Jetty with QHM's Semaphore Tower (background)

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^ QE passing Victory Jetty, note the construction cranes.

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^ Tugs winding QE to bows south near Princess Royal Jetty.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby PhillyJ » 11 Dec 2018, 00:28

I watched her come in from aboard HMS Warrior in the Historic Dockyard for a change, was a different perspective that's for sure. My Son was stood in his Nbr1's port side for 5 hours to welcome her home, at last he is earning his pay! 8-)

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby seaspear » 11 Dec 2018, 03:59

What are the likely plans for the repainting near the bow ?

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Postby SKB » 11 Dec 2018, 04:19

Dolphins with paint rollers in their mouths. :mrgreen:

I'd like to see her fully repainted back in Rosyth, along with the fitting of new comms, Bedford Array, CIWS. Her hull must need a clean by now too, she'll have been in salt water for five years next July (17th).

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Postby seaspear » 11 Dec 2018, 04:58

What are you on ?

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Postby bobp » 11 Dec 2018, 11:00

No doubt they will paint it as part of the planned upgrades. Maybe use a small barge alongside or a cherry picker from dockside. Does seem to be a problem with the paint as a similar thing on a larger scale happened whilst she was being outfitted up in Rosyth.

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Postby SKB » 11 Dec 2018, 12:19


(Warship TV) 11 Dec 2018
HMS Queen Elizabeth R08 returns home to Portsmouth Naval Base on 10th December 2018 after conducting F-35B fighter jet trials off the US.



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QE's return, and families reunited on PRJ.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby RAF>FAN » 11 Dec 2018, 12:55

That Bow on view is the best view of QE Class in my humble opinion

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Postby SKB » 11 Dec 2018, 14:17

1SL Admiral Philip Jones went aboard QE yesterday before entering Portsmouth.
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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Lord Jim » 12 Dec 2018, 05:45

I am still worried the Queen Elizabeth is too naked against hostile action. If you are only having Phalanx as the active means of defence fit four and ideally make two Sea RAM. Other nations and commentators cannot understand our way or thinking and how we think our most valuable surface units should not be able to look after themselves. It could be the ultimate case of a "False economy", down the road.

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Postby shark bait » 12 Dec 2018, 07:55

Look after themselves? What about that thing with Sea Viper?
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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Little J » 12 Dec 2018, 10:11

Lord Jim wrote:I am still worried the Queen Elizabeth is too naked against hostile action. If you are only having Phalanx as the active means of defence fit four and ideally make two Sea RAM. Other nations and commentators cannot understand our way or thinking and how we think our most valuable surface units should not be able to look after themselves. It could be the ultimate case of a "False economy", down the road.

It's almost like they looked at the mistakes from the Falklands and said "no, we can fudge it up way better than that." :crazy:

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Postby Poiuytrewq » 12 Dec 2018, 13:03

Lord Jim wrote:I am still worried the Queen Elizabeth is too naked against hostile action. If you are only having Phalanx as the active means of defence fit four and ideally make two Sea RAM. Other nations and commentators cannot understand our way or thinking and how we think our most valuable surface units should not be able to look after themselves. It could be the ultimate case of a "False economy", down the road.
I don't see it being a problem as long as two T45's are accompanying.

The major issue is not enough T45's. We really needed eight.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Lord Jim » 12 Dec 2018, 14:39

So why does every other navy with large carriers and effective escorts, still see the need to fit a far more comprehensive defensive suite on theirs, and these countries have been operating large carriers continuously for decades. Even when we had Ark Royal and Eagle, they were not fitted with the defensive weapons they were supposed to be in their case Sea Cat. We only installed Phalanx on the CVLs after we realised the error during the Falklands war, why wasn't it fitted during construction. The threat of sea skimming missiles was well known. The only reason I can think of is to save money, there being no military reason that justifies the omission. The T-45s are very capable and two will provide a reasonable level of protection, but historically the best way to protect vital assets is a layered defence and ours on the Queen Elizabeths is lacking. I hope the crews of these vessels do not become victims of this false economy at some point in the future.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby abc123 » 12 Dec 2018, 14:47

Lord Jim wrote:So why does every other navy with large carriers and effective escorts, still see the need to fit a far more comprehensive defensive suite on theirs, and these countries have been operating large carriers continuously for decades. .


Because everybody else are stooopid. USN, France, Russia, China, Italy- all stoopid. Know nothing about naval warfare. Only the RN knows how to build and operate carriers. :think:
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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby abc123 » 12 Dec 2018, 14:50

Lord Jim wrote:I am still worried the Queen Elizabeth is too naked against hostile action. If you are only having Phalanx as the active means of defence fit four and ideally make two Sea RAM. Other nations and commentators cannot understand our way or thinking and how we think our most valuable surface units should not be able to look after themselves. It could be the ultimate case of a "False economy", down the road.


Yep, because when you spend 10+ billions USD for two new supercarriers, it's far too much to spend additional 150 millions for a 3-4 of RAM-s or a few dozen CAMMs.
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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Digger22 » 12 Dec 2018, 16:15

No, we never learn, especially when implementing lessons learnt involves spending money. Relying on Escorts seems logical, unless something happens to your escort!


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