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Postby SKB » 19 Oct 2018, 16:59

QE's dropped anchor for seven days in Upper Bay, in full view of Ellis Island and Liberty Island (the two smaller islands within the red area. Governor's Island is the larger third island)
https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-l ... n-new-york
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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby SKB » 19 Oct 2018, 19:47

MoD have released an image archive of QE's NYC arrival:
https://t.co/dWtDJOsJBl

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby SKB » 19 Oct 2018, 20:35


(ON THE ROGER) 19 October 2018
HMS Queen Elizabeth (R08), Royal Navy. First entry to New York, October 2018. Aircraft carrier Queen Elizabeth, Westlant18, FOCFT. Vid by Royal Navy



(Save The Royal Navy) 19 October 2018

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

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Quoting from the Metro, Captain Jerry Kyd says "We are the biggest carrier to go in there (New York) for about 50 years," he said – highlighting how the larger nuclear-powered Nimitz Class American carriers are forbidden.

https://metro.co.uk/2018/10/19/sailors- ... k-8056704/

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby PhillyJ » 19 Oct 2018, 22:53

Great shots and video, personally I thought they might have had the F35B's involved at some point but I guess other more pressing needs dictated not.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby SKB » 19 Oct 2018, 23:27

PhillyJ wrote:I thought they might have had the F35B's involved at some point but I guess other more pressing needs dictated not.

The two test F-35B's returned to Patuxent River before QE arrived in NYC.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Little J » 20 Oct 2018, 06:31

I take it that's the end of Westlant 18? Do we know when the next round of testing will begin (F-35 or other)?

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Ron5 » 20 Oct 2018, 09:01

Little J wrote:I take it that's the end of Westlant 18? Do we know when the next round of testing will begin (F-35 or other)?


No, just a breather. The aircraft will be back on board toward the end on of the month for more testing including the boards favorite SRVLs.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby -Eddie- » 20 Oct 2018, 22:47

HMS Queen Elizabeth has a Sea Harrier :lol:

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby abc123 » 21 Oct 2018, 10:21

SKB wrote:Quoting from the Metro, Captain Jerry Kyd says "We are the biggest carrier to go in there (New York) for about 50 years," he said – highlighting how the larger nuclear-powered Nimitz Class American carriers are forbidden.

https://metro.co.uk/2018/10/19/sailors- ... k-8056704/


Forbidden? Because of nuclear propulsion or?
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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Aethulwulf » 21 Oct 2018, 14:51

abc123 wrote:
SKB wrote:Quoting from the Metro, Captain Jerry Kyd says "We are the biggest carrier to go in there (New York) for about 50 years," he said – highlighting how the larger nuclear-powered Nimitz Class American carriers are forbidden.

https://metro.co.uk/2018/10/19/sailors- ... k-8056704/


Forbidden? Because of nuclear propulsion or?
Nimitz class height above waterline is 215 feet (65.53m). Nominal clearance under the Verrazzano-Narrows Bridge is 69.5m.

I suspect this is one of the reasons keeping the Nimitz class out of New York.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Little J » 21 Oct 2018, 17:05

Having googled this earlier (other search engines are available :thumbup:), there's an unwritten rule that no nuke power craft go into New York because a Mayor from the 80's or 90's didn't think it was safe (with such a large population).

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Timmymagic » 22 Oct 2018, 15:43

Not sure much should be made of the V-22 and V-247 appearing in this...

https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/imps ... s-hms-que/

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby benny14 » 22 Oct 2018, 16:21

One carrier available 100% of the time, both available 40% of the time.

https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/imps ... s-hms-que/

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

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... except that Liberty does not mean Freedom (it means 'permission') and there is already a Statue of Freedom on top of the Capitol building in D.C.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby whitelancer » 22 Oct 2018, 21:11

With only two Carriers their is no way to guarente one available 100% of the time.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Digger22 » 23 Oct 2018, 09:51

On paper yes, reality depends on individual ship reliability, albeit modern production techniques do dramatically improve reliability and Gas Turbines are inherently safer and more reliable and easier to maintain/replace than say a steam plant. Individual class reliability difference is a growing thing of the past, Old Ark Royal v Eagle for example. Time will tell, but three would be better!

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Timmymagic » 23 Oct 2018, 16:45

Digger22 wrote:Gas Turbines are inherently safer and more reliable and easier to maintain/replace than say a steam plant. Individual class reliability difference is a growing thing of the past, Old Ark Royal v Eagle for example. Time will tell, but three would be better!


True. The RN though are saying that 1 carrier will be available 100% of the time, 2 will be available 40% of the time. On a rough calculation 3 would mean 2 are guaranteed, with very occasionally 3 being available. The annoying thing is with the fall in cost due to lessons learned on PoW we could have had a 3rd with the money wasted by the treasury when they incurred a delay and Liam Fox at no additional cost....

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Little J » 23 Oct 2018, 16:55

Good luck manning a 3rd though...

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Timmymagic » 23 Oct 2018, 17:06

Little J wrote:Good luck manning a 3rd though...


No chance of that, or putting aircraft on deck. But one would be in maintenance/mothballs at all times, just rotated in and out of service.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby matt00773 » 23 Oct 2018, 17:16

Timmymagic wrote:No chance of that, or putting aircraft on deck. But one would be in maintenance/mothballs at all times, just rotated in and out of service.
Which wouldn't have been a bad thing in my view. It would have enabled 2 carriers close to 100% availability set up for different operational modes whilst the 3rd was in repair/upgrade etc. It would have provided an insurance for 50 years of operation.


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