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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Ron5 » 17 Oct 2018, 17:15

Little J wrote:
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Enigmatically wrote:
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Twin Islands is a solution for having two large gas turbines located apart from each other. It has zero other merits and many demerits.

That was why it was first thought of. But it is not its only advantage. Far from it

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SRVL re-introduces to the the RN the bolter or "go around".

No it doesn't. This is not like an arrestor laning


1. So try and list a couple. You'll be stretching because there aren't any. Takes away deck space for no gain.

2. Bollox. Go read what the landing office said.


Sorry, I've been at work and had what little brain I had drip out of my ears...
How do you have a "bolter" on an aircraft travelling at around 30-40 mph? What am I missing?


Speed is irrelevant. If the approach is wrong or the aircraft can't stop (as noted above), the go button will be pressed and the pilot gets to go around and do it over. Or go around, jettison stuff and do a VL. Extra fuel will have to be reserved to enable either course of action. That will cut into bring back loads.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Enigmatically » 17 Oct 2018, 20:38

Ron,
just take it from me, SRVL allows bigger bring back loads than VL. Fact. No its not a big revolution in carrier operations. But it does what it says on the tin.

And it also means we don't need a buddy-buddy refueller standing by. So quite different from arrested landings

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Wrekin1410 » 17 Oct 2018, 21:21

Enigmatically wrote:Ron,
just take it from me, SRVL allows bigger bring back loads than VL. Fact. No its not a big revolution in carrier operations. But it does what it says on the tin.

And it also means we don't need a buddy-buddy refueller standing by. So quite different from arrested landings


Enigmatically, I don’t understand the logic of the last paragraph. Surely, no matter the means of recovery, trap, vertical or SRVL, aircraft can be returning to ship from missions low on fuel and a bolt whether from failed trap or aborted SRVL can push that aircraft into a situation where it might need buddy buddy refuelling. Surely therefore, if it were ever to become available to the RN whether through modified F35’s or Ospreys or other future aircraft, and by some miracle the funds to afford it, we would take that option?

SRVL will allow greater bringback under normal operational circumstances but that cannot always be guaranteed. Imagine what just an extra unplanned 5 mins flying in air-to-air combat would do to planned fuel reserves.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Ron5 » 17 Oct 2018, 23:01

Enigmatically wrote:Ron,
just take it from me, SRVL allows bigger bring back loads than VL. Fact. No its not a big revolution in carrier operations. But it does what it says on the tin.

And it also means we don't need a buddy-buddy refueller standing by. So quite different from arrested landings


1. Of course it does, did anyone say different?

2. Don't tell me it's not a revolution, tell your fellow Brits that are treating it like such.

3. Like I keep saying, to avoid having a tanker, SRVL requires the aircraft to maintain increased fuel for a possible go around. Actually, you need increase reserves even if there was a tanker because you'd need extra fuel to go mate with it. That decreases bring back. Maybe by a couple thousand pounds?

4. VL will remain the landing type of choice unless it means jettisoning expensive weapons.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Ron5 » 17 Oct 2018, 23:19

Wrekin1410 wrote:
Enigmatically wrote:Ron,
just take it from me, SRVL allows bigger bring back loads than VL. Fact. No its not a big revolution in carrier operations. But it does what it says on the tin.

And it also means we don't need a buddy-buddy refueller standing by. So quite different from arrested landings


Enigmatically, I don’t understand the logic of the last paragraph. Surely, no matter the means of recovery, trap, vertical or SRVL, aircraft can be returning to ship from missions low on fuel and a bolt whether from failed trap or aborted SRVL can push that aircraft into a situation where it might need buddy buddy refuelling. Surely therefore, if it were ever to become available to the RN whether through modified F35’s or Ospreys or other future aircraft, and by some miracle the funds to afford it, we would take that option?

SRVL will allow greater bringback under normal operational circumstances but that cannot always be guaranteed. Imagine what just an extra unplanned 5 mins flying in air-to-air combat would do to planned fuel reserves.


Th RN managed this very well for along time with Harriers. F-35B's don't make the problem better or worse, as far as I know.

I'd be willing to bet a small amount that the Type 26 flying deck will take an F-35B as will the Tides and the new FSS. For emergencies. There's not always a Spanish tanker close by.

But I do think your question is a fair one i.e. what value does the RN put on Osprey with a tanker option. What value does it have as a carrier force multiplier? We've heard a lot from the RM that they're hot to trot with refueling their Merlin, presumably for long range insertions.

Unfortunately Osprey is a Boeing product so chances of a single source order would seem rather slim at the moment. Though a small order for less than half a dozen wouldn't break the bank much more than it's currently broken. The Japanese bought 5 for less than the current price for 2 F-35B's say 250 million pounds total, including service, spares & support. It would cost a bit more for the longer ranged CMV-22B.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby -Eddie- » 18 Oct 2018, 08:13

Hopefully some good pictures and videos from this.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby PhillyJ » 18 Oct 2018, 10:05

That's a great old shot of the Ark Royal, checked up online and it's 1957!

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby SKB » 18 Oct 2018, 15:42


Number plate " R08 F35 "
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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Ron5 » 18 Oct 2018, 16:44

What's all that crap on the door?

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby SKB » 18 Oct 2018, 16:52

Thats supposed to be a replica of the angular stealth patterns you see on the F-35's fuselage and door panels. The "8" shaped one is mimicking the built-in ladder door of the F-35

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby R686 » 18 Oct 2018, 17:55

SKB wrote:https://twitter.com/MarcusReports/status/1052899228052332544
Number plate " R08 F35 "
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Someone’s got tooo much money,




Sadly it’s not me :shock:

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Lord Jim » 18 Oct 2018, 18:05

I remember going to a trade day at Farnborough on year and Lotus had provided the Red Arrows with a number of Esprits to shuttle them from the media area to the flight line during the show. I am not sure if it still goes on but they used to get a lot of "Gifts", as well, or at least the pilots did, such a Swiss watched and high end Mountain Bikes.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby shark bait » 18 Oct 2018, 20:40

anyone remember what happened last time a Jag was on a RN carrier?
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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby SDL » 18 Oct 2018, 20:45

That would be a fun test of some sort of system....

also...


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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby SW1 » 18 Oct 2018, 21:55

Why not paveway IV?

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby SKB » 18 Oct 2018, 22:21

Because you don't waste newer bombs that are only fitted with dummy concrete warheads.
https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-l ... -bomb-drop

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby CameronPerson » 19 Oct 2018, 00:18

shark bait wrote:anyone remember what happened last time a Jag was on a RN carrier?


Do you know what - I was thinking the exact same thing..

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby CR4ZYHOR5E » 19 Oct 2018, 10:34

Oh excellent...I’ll be included NYC Monday through Wednesday! Anyone know where she is likely to be anchored/berthed?

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Timmymagic » 19 Oct 2018, 11:18

CR4ZYHOR5E wrote:Oh excellent...I’ll be included NYC Monday through Wednesday! Anyone know where she is likely to be anchored/berthed?


All we know is that the MoD have secured her a 'high profile' berth...Hudson River around lunchtime apparently...

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Timmymagic » 19 Oct 2018, 11:20

98 ramp launches with 2 aircraft is some going....


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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby SKB » 19 Oct 2018, 12:50

Is this where QE is likely to dock? Its a live camera, so click Play >

^ The cruise ship with two red funnels is called the Disney Magic.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Sunk at Narvik » 19 Oct 2018, 13:11

Will USS Intrepid have more aircraft on deck though?

Only kidding!

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Timmymagic » 19 Oct 2018, 13:19

Possibly a little premature...looks like a Merlin has landed at a New York HLS.
Edit: Looks like Navy Lookout have deleted the tweet...here's the original for ref:



Oddly it looks like HMS Westminster has a berth reserved in Hempstead Bay, Long Island...and the USNS Lewis and Clark (which trialled the Princess Royal Jetty for QE) is also in New York.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby SKB » 19 Oct 2018, 14:03


Aww. :cry:

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby SKB » 19 Oct 2018, 16:32

QE arrives in NYC
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(Royal Navy) QE appears at 52:50 for ten minutes until the video cuts out.... :roll:


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