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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Ron5 » 24 Nov 2020, 01:17

bobp wrote:
Scimitar54 wrote:“Prime Minister Boris Johnson has stated that the UK will routinely deploy a ‘permanently available, ready to fight’ Carrier Strike Group”.


Depends on Boris's big words being translated into big realities. Lets hope that the above statement means another order to lift the numbers.


Well he did put money where his mouth was :D

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Ron5 » 24 Nov 2020, 01:18

SW1 wrote:Nearly sure it was mentioned several weeks ago the standard air group was 6-8 fast jets


RAF wishful thinking :D

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Old RN » 04 Dec 2020, 07:42

I see that the Brazilian navy is proposing to operate Hermes 450 UAV from ex-HMS Ocean. As the Hermes is the basis for the Watchkeeper in RA service does this show one could operate the exisiting UK Watchkeers from QE/POW? It would provide an interesting capability with ~16 hours mission time at 160km from the carrier with a very high definition radar and an EO package. Given the integration should be straight forward it would have limited initial cost and storing 3-4 packaged Watchkeepers in the hanger would hardly be noticed!

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Roders96 » 04 Dec 2020, 07:51

What is the distance from the carrier at 12 hours mission time?

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Old RN » 04 Dec 2020, 07:56

Roders96 wrote:What is the distance from the carrier at 12 hours mission time?


I believe the 160km is based on maintaining the comms link.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby SKB » 04 Dec 2020, 11:22

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(Christopher Gardener) 5th December 2019

4th December 2020 - Its exactly a year to the day that QE returned home to Portsmouth from Westlant 19 and also the first time both QE and PoW were together in Portsmouth Harbour.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby shark bait » 04 Dec 2020, 11:57

This is my attempt at the same picture from a couple of weeks back, bit rude of BA to not fly a little closer!

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Poiuytrewq » 05 Dec 2020, 23:36

Just need official conformation now.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby PhillyJ » 07 Dec 2020, 09:54

wondered when this would hit mainstream media. All I can add is nipper was not on board at time so not on his watch. ☹️

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby SKB » 07 Dec 2020, 10:37

QE was commissioned into the Royal Navy exactly three years ago today; on 7th December 2017.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby bobp » 07 Dec 2020, 10:52

PhillyJ wrote:wondered when this would hit mainstream media. All I can add is nipper was not on board at time so not on his watch. ☹️

I think it was obvious from the earlier picture of flooding that electric switch gear and cabling got wet. You cant just dry it out and everything will be ok, parts need replacement and in some cases have to be made.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby PhillyJ » 07 Dec 2020, 11:22

I did know it was bad as my nipper told me the gory details but obviously I couldn't say. He is pretty downhearted at the moment and thinking of handing in his chit April due to the amount of time he has spent at Pompey and not on the seas.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby bobp » 07 Dec 2020, 12:22

PhillyJ wrote:He is pretty downhearted at the moment

Cant say I blame him. Is there not any courses he can sign up for, that will help him advance his career.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby PhillyJ » 07 Dec 2020, 15:09

bobp wrote:
PhillyJ wrote:He is pretty downhearted at the moment

Cant say I blame him. Is there not any courses he can sign up for, that will help him advance his career.
He is working towards his LH but needs sea time as well to complete the requirements I think. He has asked for a loan to another ship, a lot of his old phase 1 buddies have been on 45's and 23's so often talk about where they've been, but nothing forthcoming so far. Will see him over Christmas and hopefully talk him into staying, I think the RN has exciting times ahead but getting a 21 yr old to believe that after cleaning the boat bay for the umpteenth time is not going to be easy!

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby bobp » 07 Dec 2020, 15:17

PhillyJ wrote:his old phase 1 buddies


Hmmm a lot of his buddies I am sure would like to serve on a Carrier. Look at what HMS QE has done so far. Just unfortunate that POW has had to remain out of action for so long.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Timmymagic » 07 Dec 2020, 15:23

PhillyJ wrote:I did know it was bad as my nipper told me the gory details but obviously I couldn't say. He is pretty downhearted at the moment and thinking of handing in his chit April due to the amount of time he has spent at Pompey and not on the seas.


Hopefully it will be on the way to being sorted by then, it must have knocked a massive hole in the deployment plans though.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby SW1 » 07 Dec 2020, 16:58

Well at least we now know which social media accounts are merely positive pr spin (the ones that were shouting nothing to see here to all and sundry) and those that offer a more considered critique.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby downsizer » 07 Dec 2020, 17:27

He needs to get some time in. Youth of today, etc, etc.... :roll:

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Jdam » 07 Dec 2020, 19:22

second flood

2nd I cant remember the first one on the POW.

I was a bit surprised they use Sea water for the fire fighting as I thought they had a form system for that now. I guess when you are in the middle of the ocean you use the water that is available to fight fires.

Depressing to think the POW will have been at the dock side an entire year before she is ready to go back to sea again. :(

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby bobp » 07 Dec 2020, 20:16

Jdam wrote:Depressing to think the POW will have been at the dock side an entire year before she is ready to go back to sea again


How do you keep 800 plus crew busy over a year?

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby topman » 07 Dec 2020, 20:38

bobp wrote:
Jdam wrote:Depressing to think the POW will have been at the dock side an entire year before she is ready to go back to sea again


How do you keep 800 plus crew busy over a year?


Enforced fun.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby SW1 » 07 Dec 2020, 20:43

bobp wrote:
Jdam wrote:Depressing to think the POW will have been at the dock side an entire year before she is ready to go back to sea again


How do you keep 800 plus crew busy over a year?


Tin of grey paint and a brush?

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby ArmChairCivvy » 07 Dec 2020, 21:02

bobp wrote:keep 800 plus crew busy over a year?

A prolonged port visit... wait! All the pubs shut :(

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Little J » 07 Dec 2020, 21:27

PhillyJ wrote:
bobp wrote:
PhillyJ wrote:He is pretty downhearted at the moment

Cant say I blame him. Is there not any courses he can sign up for, that will help him advance his career.
He is working towards his LH but needs sea time as well to complete the requirements I think. He has asked for a loan to another ship, a lot of his old phase 1 buddies have been on 45's and 23's so often talk about where they've been, but nothing forthcoming so far. Will see him over Christmas and hopefully talk him into staying, I think the RN has exciting times ahead but getting a 21 yr old to believe that after cleaning the boat bay for the umpteenth time is not going to be easy!


Hope he sticks with it.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Timmymagic » 07 Dec 2020, 21:59

SW1 wrote:Well at least we now know which social media accounts are merely positive pr spin (the ones that were shouting nothing to see here to all and sundry) and those that offer a more considered critique.


I'm a bit divided on this. There is of course the need to maintain 'some' secrecy in the defence world (even though PoW is not yet operational). But I'd be intrigued to know if the Parliamentary Defence Committee had been briefed on this, or on the major delays to Vanguards refit and another V boat being in dock in Faslane for an extended period. The MoD really are terrible at managing bad news, but also have never seemed to grasp the fact that hiding problems away has never ended up being a good idea either reputationally or politically. We really do need a far better system of accountability and scrutiny, their obfuscation and economy with the truth with Parliament in particular is appalling.

But the shocking thing is that its seen as good practice to 'get on the front foot' for a bad news story. Get your version of the truth out there first. Did they think that no-one would notice that the ship hadn't left harbour for planned deployments? With COVID they've had the ultimate excuse to 'bury bad news' for months in a row, they could have slipped the news out and it would barely have been noticed in the media furore. Instead its leaked out and they look dishonest and inept...


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