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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby PhillyJ » 28 Jan 2020, 12:38

PhillyJ wrote:
cockneyjock1974 wrote:PhillyJ have you heard any rumours about PWLS being sold to the Indian navy? I heard there was a contingent onboard recently and they were asking all sorts of questions. I wonder if they might be trying to build their own as well.
Nope, my nipper has said nothing about this so if it is in the wings then being kept quiet...they are off out again early Feb back up to Scotland for further sea trials and then a run ashorei in Liverpool.
Just spoke to my lad as he is back on board after surviving a Tri Forces jolly skiing/snowboarding week away. He has not heard or been told anything about potential sale of PWLS and all plans for Feb and later on this year for trials are on track.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby cockneyjock1974 » 28 Jan 2020, 14:19

Thanks PhillyJ, sounds like it’s the usual gutter MSM scare mongering.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby SKB » 28 Jan 2020, 16:11

First F-35B landing in UK waters
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(@HMSQNLZ) 28th January 2020
Another key milestone achieved on our journey to #CSG21 as jets* fly to a British carrier in British waters for the first time in a decade.
This @OC207Sqn training comes ahead of exercises with our operational squadron @OC617Sqn later this year.


Can't distinguish any registration numbers. But jets* is plural....

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Ron5 » 28 Jan 2020, 16:32

cockneyjock1974 wrote:Thanks PhillyJ, sounds like it’s the usual gutter MSM scare mongering.


Errrr wasn't it you that raised the story here? :D

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby cockneyjock1974 » 28 Jan 2020, 20:53

Exactly Ron, it was that and one of the rags reporting defence cuts.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby SKB » 28 Jan 2020, 21:01





(ON THE ROGER) 28 January 2020

At least two planes, identified as BK11 (ZM145) and BK15 (ZM149)

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Timmymagic » 28 Jan 2020, 21:38

Got to say I think the flight deck guy who just grabs a tie down and hangs on might have the better approach...

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby swoop » 01 Feb 2020, 07:22

The popularity of the DAVE-B's must be spreading. Singapore has signed up for a squadron.
Potentially a good stopping point on a World Cruise to show the flag, and conduct some op's with the Singaporean AF?

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby abc123 » 01 Feb 2020, 07:55

swoop wrote:The popularity of the DAVE-B's must be spreading. Singapore has signed up for a squadron.
Potentially a good stopping point on a World Cruise to show the flag, and conduct some op's with the Singaporean AF?


I actually wonder why Israel, Poland and S. Korea didn't buy it as well.
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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Dahedd » 01 Feb 2020, 09:30

I think South Korea are, if not definitely then at least looking at it for their new LHD's.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby seaspear » 01 Feb 2020, 09:43

This article from last march may address many of the reasons for Singapores choice of the F35B
https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-inter ... t-purchase
Singapore also has the Aster 30 providing another layer of defence inits anti missile capability
https://www.defensenews.com/land/2018/0 ... ideo-post/

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Little J » 01 Feb 2020, 20:04



Well she's got one that works :mrgreen:

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby SKB » 01 Feb 2020, 20:20

^ That's the Phalanx on the portside stern sponson if anyone's wondering.

There was a previous test last year on 7/7/2019 where both were tested. And before its asked again, QE will get her third Phalanx 'by the end of 2020'.


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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Lord Jim » 01 Feb 2020, 21:38

I wonder if it was possible to attach a three or five round LMM bundle to a Phalanx mount, adaption the EO system for guidance. Obviously they would not be fired in full auto mode, but rather in cases where the Phalanx was being manually target surface contacts.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Ron5 » 01 Feb 2020, 22:03

Lord Jim wrote:I wonder if it was possible to attach a three or five round LMM bundle to a Phalanx mount, adaption the EO system for guidance. Obviously they would not be fired in full auto mode, but rather in cases where the Phalanx was being manually target surface contacts.


Why when they can have an already proven LMM mount?

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Lord Jim » 01 Feb 2020, 23:48

You have a point there. I assume you are talking about the remote 30mm + LMM mount trialled on the T-23. The benefit of using a Phalanx mount is that it has the EO sensor on the mount rather than relying on a separate system which may help on some platforms such as RFA or possibly the B2 Rivers if they operated in a conflict zone. Always good to have options already thought through when you actually need them.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby NickC » 02 Feb 2020, 09:36

Not sure where to post, Admin please move if appropriate

Telegraph last Thursday, 1st Sea Lord Adm Radakin plans for RN, interesting, some to be welcomed, others controversial and some news on drones.

In a cost saving drive aiming to reduce Portsmouth headquarters count by half, 1,000, onto ships and bases, reduce Admirals from thirteen to eight.

“We are redesigning our headquarters so that we have a flatter structure and we empower high quality people to take decisions and quite simply to get on with stuff.” “We would send them back to work on a ship, while their jobs would be done by either reducing the rank that it’s done at or we would potentially civilianise them.” 

Citing the Danish navy’s Huitfeldt class of frigates, he said: “They have only three different grades of engineer on board. We have nine different grades. So can we get flatter, leaner and more efficient? 

“Can we slow down or even stop the constant churn that we have in our personnel structures?  The Navy says their current personnel deficit against the workforce requirement is 5.2 per cent, or 1,500 people. They have only increased the number of regular forces by 100 since October 2016. In 2000, Britain had 39,000 sailors. It now has just over 30,000. In 1990, the government spent about four per cent on defence, while that is now closer to two per cent. Today, the Navy has 77 commissioned vessels, including six destroyers, 13 frigates and 10 submarines. 30 years ago, it had 138 ships and 33 submarines.

Another shot was fired across the bows by Dominic Cummings, the Prime Minister’s chief special advisor, who described the procurement of Britain’s new aircraft carriers, HMS Queen Elizabeth II and HMS Prince of Wales as “a farce” and said “they have built platforms that already cannot be sent to a serious war against a serious enemy."

Adm Radakin also announced plans to test “large drones” on aircraft carriers for the first time next year. In the future, the Navy wants to be able to launch and land devices that could undertake reconnaissance missions and also deploy missiles.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Timmymagic » 02 Feb 2020, 10:14

Back in Invergordon again for some fuel, and a run ashore...


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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Ron5 » 02 Feb 2020, 16:51

Portsmouth doesn't count?

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Scimitar54 » 02 Feb 2020, 16:56

Shame the photo shows her on her First (or second) visit, No Heat Resistant Deck Coating! :mrgreen:

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Ron5 » 02 Feb 2020, 16:56

NickC wrote:Adm Radakin also announced plans to test “large drones” on aircraft carriers for the first time next year. In the future, the Navy wants to be able to launch and land devices that could undertake reconnaissance missions and also deploy missiles.


He announced a desire/hope/target/challenge but most definitely not a plan.

NickC wrote:Another shot was fired across the bows by Dominic Cummings, the Prime Minister’s chief special advisor, who described the procurement of Britain’s new aircraft carriers, HMS Queen Elizabeth II and HMS Prince of Wales as “a farce” and said “they have built platforms that already cannot be sent to a serious war against a serious enemy."


As noted before, mad as a box of frogs. His claims no doubt still supported by his belief that any teenager could sink either carrier using a toy drone bought at a neighborhood store.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Scimitar54 » 02 Feb 2020, 16:59

If he persists in that view, then his “high profile” career will soon be sunk. :mrgreen:

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Scimitar54 » 02 Feb 2020, 17:06

In fact our carriers were Catobar, he should be launched in a gaming chair and see whether during his brief flight time he could so disable the launching carrier with a toy drone taking off from it’s deck.

Inevitable result: An early bath for him and a Still functioning Carrier. :mrgreen:

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby SKB » 03 Feb 2020, 19:44

F-35B Lightning BK11 (ZM145) currently on the QE, was in last night's Top Gear, re-doing the old Richard Hammond in car vs RAF Typhoon thing.



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