Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

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comparing the f35b to the a , the b is chunkier and less manoeuvrable taking an extra 18 seconds over the a in going from 0.8-1.2 mach as its not able to carry the 2000 pound bunker buster like the a would not be able to do stealthy raids against deep bunkers having to carry heavy loads on the wings , as an aircraft designed and purchased for stealth raids why would you not want that ability?

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ArmChairCivvy wrote:
Scimitar54 wrote:Also, do not forget about the Typhoons.
+ the "fork in the road":
SW1 wrote: do we produce a new design or do we shut it down there is not a budget to do both.
... or do something in between. Let me elaborate (and please bear with the "eine kleine Einleitung" about how the Gvmnt strategy used the terms being bandied around):

The Combat Air Strategy uses the term ‘Team Tempest’ – and the companies involved have given some indications of the technologies and techniques they are looking at.

The other term in the Strategy is ‘Pyramid’: the project to develop open mission systems architecture, ie. act, if there is a go-ahead after the initial two-year funding, in the same way as Apple has done in building and upgrading iPhone.

About the team:

BAE Systems: at BAE's exhibiting stand Replica had been hauled out, with a Tiffie landing gear (front only?) bolted on... as it is normally hung at various angles, for its original purpose

Rolls-Royce: the full potential of the Typhoon's engine is still to be developed

MBDA : this is where it gets interesting. The Franco-German fighter project contracts, building on the 'must have' rqrments phase will be let in early 2019... and while Dassault will do the airframe (don't be surprised if it will come out as a cross between Rafale and Replica) part, Germany will do the ' systems' part. Can we see an overlap between the two programmes forming already now?

Leonardo: will work on sensors, electronics, and avionics.
- Coming back to Typhoons, a well-written RUSI paper on it is titles "The Best is Yet to Come". Leonardo says it will “mature the critical technologies to deliver next generation sensing and communications alongside the advanced open-system architectures that will deliver a step-change in how the sensors are employed within an operational system.”

- Typhoon Tr3B (for Germany?) might see baby steps of this Step Change, as they are (timing wise) on the most critical path. And also want to gear up, to avoid playing only a bit part when the actual action will be scaled up in the 30's.

- who says that there won't be a Typhoon Tr4 for the RAF?
... call it Tempest, for a propaganda coup?

In this scenario the F-35 buy would 'stall' somewhere between 48 and low 70s... which quantity would not allow for two versions (to be efficiently supported and squadrons rotated in tasking).
That all makes a lot of sense and I agree with 99%. I do think however we will purchase more than the maximum of 70 F-35s over the life of the programme but will probably never have more then 70 in service or storage, with early platforms stripped and trashed later on. Eventually the ratio of F-35 to Typhoon will switch 190 degrees and we will have one station with Typhoon and two with F-35. It will not result in large expenditure on infrastructure and all deep maintenance will be done at Marham. As for Tempest or Team Tempest, the Idea of this producing sub systems for the Franco/German project is interesting and would spread the financial load across more nations without trampling on too many toes. These could also migrate to the Typhoon and the UK working with Germany to optimise this platform could lead to further work as other users come aboard. I am of the opinion that Tempest will never result in a new manned platform but rather develop a blue print for something that could appear in the 2040s. For a true next generation platform for the RAF, because France and Germany are out of step, the UK is going to have to look to non-traditional partners to joint fund a programme or turn once again to the USA and become a junior partner in whatever they are working on.

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Sorry I was going way way off topic here feel free to move the above post.

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I think it's about time we redirect this discussion to the F-35 thread. Let's keep it strictly QEC from this point onward.

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Some more Westlant 18 photos sourced from Navy Lookout:
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she is quite the looker

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She certainly is but I wish she had here own set of teeth rather than relying on those of her airwing and escorts to defend her honour if she comes across a foreign Gentleman with dubious intensions.

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Pig ugly but great photos. Thanks for sharing.

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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder though some are blind to it.

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Nice photos seems like the paint is peeling off the bow, looking at the picture of the F35 taking off the ski jump.

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Yes, that cream colour on the bow is the undercoat layer on bow block LB01L

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To go with the above...

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I just hope the contract for the weapons handling systems wasn't given to the company that designed Terminal Fives baggage system. :D

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Imagine if the QE weapons handling system was like Terminal 5's Pods?! :mrgreen:

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Whilst watching the Twitter video from HMSQE I thought at first they were trying to hit the container ship with those bombs at the end!

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A video featuring the highly mechanised weapon handling system and a loaded F-35 takeoff.


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Effects of jet blast on personnel @ 1:07

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The Armchair Soldier wrote:A video featuring the highly mechanised weapon handling system and a loaded F-35 takeoff.

Highly mechanised men pushing things about on trolleys :roll:

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(Forces TV / On The Roger) 7 Dec 2017

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The Armchair Soldier wrote:A video featuring the highly mechanised weapon handling system and a loaded F-35 takeoff.
For when everything breaks down... as it does.
OR when someone loses the keys required to operate the system...




Did the commentator actually say "build SIX bombs per hour"????
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That's one every 10 minutes. that's good going.

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With concurrent activity you can knock out way more than 6 PW4 Per hour.

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QE to arrive home on Monday 10th December
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Confirmed by QHM Portsmouth: https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/qhm/portsm ... 10/12/2018

Assuming QE left the US on 1st December and arrives home on 10th December, a distance of 3700 miles over 240 hours (10 days x 24 hours = 240 hours), I calculate QE is doing an average speed of 13.39 kts (15.4 mph or 24.7 km/h)

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