Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

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i'm being very optimistic but when QE exits the basin in 6 weeks time wouldn't it be great if POW left straight after for sea trials & a great photo op !!!! but isn't her initial sea trials slated for summer ? so probably not.

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I think the photo of them both at sea together will be as QE is heading out to the US for more trials in the summer

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More likely, lets hope QE would have a few F35 and helicopters onboard by then, if not I could imagine the headlines... :yawn:

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Tight squeeze :shock:



Well done to all involved :clap:

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serge750 wrote:More likely, lets hope QE would have a few F35 and helicopters onboard by then, if not I could imagine the headlines... :yawn:
Well, if that happens, then, for once, the headlines will be right... :problem:
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We could always put some of those "Plastic" F-35s on the deck and the media wouldn't know the difference. :twisted:

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Don't give the politicians ideas !!! :crazy: :lolno:

They could always could call them "dynamic airflow test airframes" to test the airflow around the carrier when under surge conditions, or crane the old sea harriers on !!

Either way it looks at though it's going to be a good summer with seeing more than 2 x F35b on deck, didn't someone mention 7 ? & POW sea trials ?

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Caribbean wrote:
Brasil wrote:So its a rotatory AESA? I have not been able to see anything official stating Artisan 3D is AESA.
Hi Brasil, have a look at this document - the link below should put you into the section on Artisan. There is also some stuff on Sampson as well. It's a bit unclear in places, presumably because some stuff was still "sensitive information" at the time the document was written, but it looks to me like it's a rotating AESA system. Overall an interesting read. as well
http://woottonbridgeiow.org.uk/decca-le ... .php#10.12

Edit - its worth reading the section on the Mesar system, just before the Artisan section - gives a bit more info on the technology involved
Thank you very much!

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Qe design for India maybe not , maybe Russia now going to try sell admiral kuznetsov carrier to India for them to repair at a knock down price ,I wouldn't but it past this happening either ,it's whether India would want a China carrier copy and a old carrier again and save some cash or have they set their hearts on a new design/ build like we class ?

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Qe class even lol ,blimin mobile :-)

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I hope Babcock/ACA/RN release some QE on the blocks photos, It'd be interesting to see how much marine growth there is (or isn't!) on her hull after nearly 5 years in salt water.

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inch wrote:Qe design for India maybe not , maybe Russia now going to try sell admiral kuznetsov carrier to India for them to repair at a knock down price ,I wouldn't but it past this happening either ,it's whether India would want a China carrier copy and a old carrier again and save some cash or have they set their hearts on a new design/ build like we class ?
Knock-down price?! You do know how the Vikramaditya purchase went? When Russia offered to do the work themselves for a knock-down price and then arbitrarily doubled it once the Indians were in too deep to pull out.

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Yes but I didn't mean Russia do the fix on it cos as stated they don't have the means at the moment otherwise they just fix it and keep it themselves ,so I meant Russia sell it to India for a knock down price and India do the work to fix it

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inch wrote: sell it to India for a knock down price and India do the work to fix it
The displacement has had an impressive increase, too
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SKB wrote:I hope Babcock/ACA/RN release some QE on the blocks photos, It'd be interesting to see how much marine growth there is (or isn't!) on her hull after nearly 5 years in salt water.
Very little. Modern paints make this a non problem these days.

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Just offer to sell them the old CTOL plans for the CVF and let them solve any problems.

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inch wrote:...maybe Russia now going to try sell admiral kuznetsov carrier to India for them to repair at a knock down price ,I wouldn't but it past this happening either
India has just spent a lot of coin on leasing another Akula sub, so possibly not.

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Article in defence journal saying 130000 tonnes in the 2 carriers ,I was just wondering what will be the total tonnage of the fleet then pow comes on stream ? .

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Amazing Photo


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No SAM’s will be fitted to eithe CVF, other wise the RN would need to justify the T45 at £1 billion a pop.


There are more pressing need to be met before a discussion on arming CVF.

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Tinman wrote:No SAM’s will be fitted to eithe CVF, other wise the RN would need to justify the T45 at £1 billion a pop.
USN has armed carriers escorted by ABs and Ticos.
Tinman wrote:There are more pressing need to be met before a discussion on arming CVF.
I'm all in favour of discussing issues in order of priority, but the whole issue of carrier strike sustainability is a priority. There is a deficit of escorts. What's your solution?

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RichardIC wrote:I'm all in favour of discussing issues in order of priority, but the whole issue of carrier strike sustainability is a priority. There is a deficit of escorts. What's your solution?
There is also a deficit in all aircraft types that will be operated from them

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Isn't there an argument to increase the missile payload of the escorts for the carrier , Im not sure how many missiles are carried by U.S.N escort groups in defence of the carrier and others but it would likely be several times what the R.N is likely to carry for defence of its carrier

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Tempest414 wrote:There is also a deficit in all aircraft types that will be operated from them
I wonder where the idea of operating one in LitM mode came from ;) That one bristling with Chinooks, Apaches etc
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Yes we can take land based helicopters and use them on the Carriers but they are limited in that they take a lot of time and work to fold up the rotors and to much room if you don't ( we have seen 1 Chinook unfolded takes up the space of 4 folded Merlin's ) plus they have limited protection from sea spay however this will be improved on the new Apache E when it comes in. also add in that both the Chinook and Apache's main role is battle field lift and support of the Army and not navy

For me to do what we are looking to do and use both carrier and 2 new FLSS we would need

6 Sqn's of F-35 with 10 jets each 3 FAA and 3 RAF ( to allow 20 jets to deploy on each carrier and 30 in surge)
move back to 40 ASW Merlin's easing deployments rotation
add 5 Merlin HC-4's to have 30
have 10 Merlin AEW
add 12 CH-53K for heavy lift ( a heavy lift helicopter designed from the start to operate from carriers )

of course there is no money for this at this time so it is make do as always

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