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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby CameronPerson » 02 Oct 2018, 23:52

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lockheedmartin/

Few more of these type of shots on the Lockheed Martin Flickr... I want the video though!

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Postby swoop » 03 Oct 2018, 02:25

SKB wrote:So why didn't RFA Tiderace go over with QE and Monmouth to do this job?

Probably not required as QE is simply transiting without conducting OP's.
Fuel burn for the turbines and rotary wing aircraft only.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby sunstersun » 03 Oct 2018, 06:27

I know things are gloomy around here with the cuts and stuff, but c'mon guys. How many countries can say they have flown a fifth generation plane off a carrier? The answer is two.

France won't till 2040. China probably will around 2025. Russia good luck. India good luck. The F-35 is a top 2 bare minimum aircraft.


In elite company we are.

But just think about how many countries have landing craft that might get F-35 B's and just think of the interoperability. Australia wanted some for their ships, UK and Australia could do joint exercises. Japan for sure is getting F-35 B's. Think about that kinda publicity for a global Britain. Training Asian nation planes on the QE.


That's the kind of shit that having a carrier offers you. Especially two.

Also the seven years war basically KO'd France's chance of lingua franca. Secured English for all of history. That's crazy to think about.

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Postby seaspear » 03 Oct 2018, 12:01

Which P.L.A.N aircraft is considered carrier capable and fifth generation ?

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Postby Timmymagic » 03 Oct 2018, 13:40

seaspear wrote:Which P.L.A.N aircraft is considered carrier capable and fifth generation ?


None at present, but the rumours are that the FC-31 will find its first domestic customer n the PLAN. Whether there is any truth in that is hard to tell, it may just be based purely on the fact that it looks like the F-35 and that the PLAAF have shown zero interest in it, and thats the only shot they have at present as the J-20 is not carrier capable.

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Postby abc123 » 03 Oct 2018, 14:03

sunstersun wrote:

Also the seven years war basically KO'd France's chance of lingua franca. Secured English for all of history. That's crazy to think about.


Offtopic a bit, don't you think? And I disagree, it was WW1 not Seven-Years War...
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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby sunstersun » 03 Oct 2018, 14:26

abc123 wrote:
sunstersun wrote:

Also the seven years war basically KO'd France's chance of lingua franca. Secured English for all of history. That's crazy to think about.


Offtopic a bit, don't you think? And I disagree, it was WW1 not Seven-Years War...


nah, it was the Seven Years War. That war ensured that NA would speak English, which Bismarck said would be the most consequential geopolitical situation in the 20th century.

Oh yeah totally off topic, I was drunk ranting last night.


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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Wrekin1410 » 03 Oct 2018, 17:01



From the HMS QNLZ twitter page still more shots.

I just find the night shots more evocative and somehow give a better impression of power.

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Postby Jake1992 » 04 Oct 2018, 07:21

Stumbled accross this last night really shows the scale of the QEs when compared to our previous few carriers :o
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Postby inch » 04 Oct 2018, 07:33

I laugh at these scale pics jake 1992 , even the qe in this drawing shows 290 mtrs or more when its not , even against the other ships in the same graph .dint think ive ever seen a true scale graph yet against other vessels. They always show qe bigger than she really is .not a problem but dont belive the hype folks .just my take

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Postby Jake1992 » 04 Oct 2018, 07:49

inch wrote:I laugh at these scale pics jake 1992 , even the qe in this drawing shows 290 mtrs or more when its not , even against the other ships in the same graph .dint think ive ever seen a true scale graph yet against other vessels. They always show qe bigger than she really is .not a problem but dont belive the hype folks .just my take


I wasn't able to see the numbers on the scale at the top due to it becoming burly when zooming in on my phone. If it is show 290m odd then it could be out.
It's a shame would be really nice to be able to find a reliable comparison between the QEs and our previous carriers

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Postby Defiance » 04 Oct 2018, 10:46

Jake1992 wrote:It's a shame would be really nice to be able to find a reliable comparison between the QEs and our previous carriers


You can find shots when QNLZ was in drydock in Scotland, with Illustrious sat in the adjacent dock, that does a good job of it for me!

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Postby Jake1992 » 04 Oct 2018, 11:25

Defiance wrote:
Jake1992 wrote:It's a shame would be really nice to be able to find a reliable comparison between the QEs and our previous carriers


You can find shots when QNLZ was in drydock in Scotland, with Illustrious sat in the adjacent dock, that does a good job of it for me!


Oh yh Iv seen that it's a nice image a illustrates the QEs size, I'd just like to see an actuate comparison with the audacious class ( the last full size carrier we had ) to give a true scale of why she's so big and so powerful for the RN lol that's just me

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby RichardIC » 04 Oct 2018, 11:27

Defiance wrote:You can find shots when QNLZ was in drydock in Scotland, with Illustrious sat in the adjacent dock, that does a good job of it for me!


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Postby SKB » 04 Oct 2018, 12:14



Seems USS Lassen has temporaily taken over the QE escort role.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby abc123 » 04 Oct 2018, 17:11

sunstersun wrote:
abc123 wrote:
sunstersun wrote:

Also the seven years war basically KO'd France's chance of lingua franca. Secured English for all of history. That's crazy to think about.


Offtopic a bit, don't you think? And I disagree, it was WW1 not Seven-Years War...


nah, it was the Seven Years War. That war ensured that NA would speak English, which Bismarck said would be the most consequential geopolitical situation in the 20th century.

Oh yeah totally off topic, I was drunk ranting last night.


Declarations of WW1 were still written in French...
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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Poiuytrewq » 04 Oct 2018, 19:54

One is impressive, but two together is going to be awesome :thumbup:
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Postby Jake1992 » 04 Oct 2018, 20:07

Poiuytrewq wrote:One is impressive, but two together is going to be awesome :thumbup:
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Hopefuly one day we'll see them both like that with a good number of F35s on board each like the cgi

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Simon82 » 04 Oct 2018, 20:37

I was just thinking that the CGI of both carriers together only leaves 17 F-35s back in the U.K.!*

* Assuming that there is a total purchase of 48, none of the aircraft in the image are from allied nations and all the aircraft are visible with none in the hanger.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby CR4ZYHOR5E » 04 Oct 2018, 21:20

Anyone know if the deck is going to be repainted? I still can’t quite get my head around how worn and weathered the deck looks...has done since she came out of Rosyth....what’s the deal with that?

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Lord Jim » 04 Oct 2018, 23:35

In a controversial quote in a book I am reading a senior member of RUSI has stated the MoD and RN are revisiting how they new carriers will be operated. Instead of the carrier being the core element of the Carrier group it role would shift to supporting the other vessels in the group. The reason for this is that the carriers will not themselves carry the necessary firepower to carry out the planned "Carrier strike", role for which there were envisioned and so will provide support in the form of missions in Air Defence, ELINT, electronic and visual surveillance and attack for the other vessels in the task force. In seems to me to be the next chapter in the "What do we do with the carrier" sage where they went from full carriers with a 36 aircraft compliment of F-35s to meet a sortie rate at a certain level to flexible aviation platforms with tailored air groups to this.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Scimitar54 » 05 Oct 2018, 00:06

I take it that these would be Carrier Resourced Air Patrols? I refuse to be the first to devise and use the apparent acronym!
Oh and by the way, apart from Tomahawk, what other weapons do the other vessels have that could get anywhere near the combat radius of an F35B.
If true, these "people" are obviously not to be trusted to do anything useful in the defence of the country. :idea:

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Scimitar54 » 05 Oct 2018, 00:41

Jake 1992 Wrote:-
I wasn't able to see the numbers on the scale at the top due to it becoming burly when zooming in on my phone. If it is show 290m odd then it could be out.
It's a shame would be really nice to be able to find a reliable comparison between the QEs and our previous carriers



Even allowing for the fact that the sterns of QEC and Invincible Classes are not aligned correctly with the other carriers, QE class are not far off the 284 Metres that they actually are. The image here may be nearer 290 Metres, but it is close enough to be a fair representation relative to the sizes of the other carriers. There is one qualification here however, namely the Audacious class carrier shown is HMS Eagle, which did not have the deck extensions that were fitted to HMS Ark Royal, when she operated with a Phantom/Buccaneer/Gannet/Sea King/Wessex Air Wing. Thus Ark Royal would have looked a little larger!

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby SKB » 05 Oct 2018, 01:54

Funnily enough, Jerry Kyd says QE is 290 metres long....

(USNI News) 4 October 2018

A view of F-35B takeoff from the forward island bridge....

(ON THE ROGER) 2 October 2018 (recorded by RAF Air Marshal Stuart Atha)


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