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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Caribbean » 30 Sep 2018, 14:38

Timmymagic wrote:Not sure why we'd bother with electromagnetic launch for UAV's.

Who mentioned electromagnetic launch or EMALS? I didn't - I was thinking of the smaller mechanical rigs that seem to feature quite frequently alongside a lot of current drones! But your comment reminds me - wasn't there a lightweight electromagnetic system developed some years ago that might fit this niche? I seem to remember reading about it on one of these pages (or possibly TD)
Timmymagic wrote:systems like the Scan Eagle/Integrator that could be launched from a catapult and recovered by skyhook arrangement.

That's more the type of system (or future developments with somewhat larger payload and greater endurance) that I had in mind. It looks as if there is sufficient room in the area beside the ramp to operate drones with a similar wingspan to the F35. Recovering them might be a challenge if they get too large, however. We might need to add a simple arrestor system at the stern
Timmymagic wrote:Plenty of VTOL UAV's on the way,

Yes - which is why I put in the caveat "if ever such a thing was needed", since that's also a likely scenario. Vigilant and TERN look very interesting, though the price may be a significant factor. Smaller semi-disposable fixed-wing drones may prove more achievable for the RN
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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Simon82 » 30 Sep 2018, 16:20

Caribbean wrote:
Vigilant and TERN look very interesting


I’ve always thought TERN would be a good addition to the Type 26s in their ‘global cruiser’ role, enhancing their ability to observe and influence events occurring inland, along with extended range 5” shells and tomahawk. TERN would also enable the carrier strike group to have more ‘eyes and ears’ in the air without taking up space on the carrier itself.

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Postby -Eddie- » 30 Sep 2018, 23:57

As I'm sure we all expected, night flying has already started.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Timmymagic » 01 Oct 2018, 00:33

Caribbean wrote:Who mentioned electromagnetic launch or EMALS? I didn't - I was thinking of the smaller mechanical rigs that seem to feature quite frequently alongside a lot of current drones! But your comment reminds me - wasn't there a lightweight electromagnetic system developed some years ago that might fit this niche? I seem to remember reading about it on one of these pages (or possibly TD)


It was mentioned by Captain Kyd in one of the videos. The system you're thinking of was EMCAT IIRC. The development rigs did loads of runs, all sub scale I believe.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby PhillyJ » 01 Oct 2018, 00:59

Those Twitter dusk shots are great, and unless it's a trick of the camera shows how big the Merlin is compared to the F35B's.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby SKB » 01 Oct 2018, 11:52


Onto the forward lift for the first time?
Meaning they went down into the hangar on the aft lift earlier. As you see, they are not at flightdeck level, they're at hangar level. Notice the tyre marks, they've been pushed on backwards from inside the hangar.
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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby bobp » 01 Oct 2018, 13:26

I am told that the Phalanx Guns will be fitted when the QE returns from her present tour. Also the same source said that a new Communications suite will be fitted.

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Postby Defiance » 01 Oct 2018, 13:35

bobp wrote:I am told that the Phalanx Guns will be fitted when the QE returns from her present tour. Also the same source said that a new Communications suite will be fitted.


It was reported in Defense News - see end of article.

https://www.defensenews.com/breaking-ne ... -aviation/

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby SKB » 01 Oct 2018, 13:38

quoted from: https://www.defensenews.com/breaking-ne ... -aviation/ (in case link goes dead)

When it returns to Britain, the ship will get the Phalanx close-in weapons system installed, in addition to a new communications suite. Then it’s back to the United States for more testing.


A trip back to Rosyth perhaps? Or to be done in Portsmouth?

Jeremy Kyd:
"“We will come back (to the US) next September (2019) for operational testing,” Kyd said. “We’ll bring seven jets over and we’re going to start the operationalizing of the ship – learn how to fight the ship and the aircraft together, prove all those comms systems and prove all the gen-five elements.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Repulse » 01 Oct 2018, 13:48

Stupid question - any reason why 7? Appreciate this may be the maximum they can do, but just seems an odd number.
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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby SKB » 01 Oct 2018, 13:50

Maybe to allow room for additional US Marine F-35B's to share the fun? And see if this new comms gear works between US and UK jets and ships?

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Timmymagic » 01 Oct 2018, 14:11

bobp wrote:I am told that the Phalanx Guns will be fitted when the QE returns from her present tour. Also the same source said that a new Communications suite will be fitted.


The Phalanx makes sense. But new communication suite? Is this in addition to the current system, a replacement or was it something that wasn't ready when she was in build?

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Halidon » 01 Oct 2018, 16:25

Repulse wrote:Stupid question - any reason why 7? Appreciate this may be the maximum they can do, but just seems an odd number.

Just spitballing, but 2 flights and 1 spare/ground-test aircraft?

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby 2HeadsBetter » 01 Oct 2018, 17:29

Just bloody typical that I was dragged off kicking and screaming on a family holiday when all this was going on. So thanks to everybody for all the pictures and videos. Curiously, not much coverage on Spanish tv.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby -Eddie- » 01 Oct 2018, 21:02

Brilliant shot

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Little J » 02 Oct 2018, 11:09

PhillyJ wrote:Those Twitter dusk shots are great, and unless it's a trick of the camera shows how big the Merlin is compared to the F35B's.


Imagine how small a SHAR would look on that deck... A pilot would spend half the day trying to remember were he/she had parked :lol:

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby The Armchair Soldier » 02 Oct 2018, 11:43

A video of HMS QUEEN ELIZABETH's replenishment-at-sea with USNS SUPPLY:


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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby SKB » 02 Oct 2018, 11:58

So why didn't RFA Tiderace go over with QE and Monmouth to do this job?
Marine Traffic shows she's still in Devonport!

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby SKB » 02 Oct 2018, 12:05

Great article about the early design history for the QE class on Navy Lookout:
https://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/develo ... n-history/

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby RNFollower » 02 Oct 2018, 12:11

SKB wrote:So why didn't RFA Tiderace go over with QE and Monmouth?


I was just thinking the same thing :think:

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby imperialman » 02 Oct 2018, 12:25

SKB wrote:So why didn't RFA Tiderace go over with QE and Monmouth to do this job?


She failed FOST it seems.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby CameronPerson » 02 Oct 2018, 21:36

Nice twist of fate



Also an indicator of how well the trials are going :thumbup:


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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby benny14 » 02 Oct 2018, 22:21

Night operations onboard HMS QE.
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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Little J » 02 Oct 2018, 22:54

That is a seriously cool photo :clap: 8-)


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