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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby whitelancer » 05 Apr 2017, 00:24

He did report the FIRST testing of the automatic firefighting system. Its worth pointing out that without an effective fire fighting system QE could not put to sea perhaps that is one of the reasons for the delay!

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Postby ArmChairCivvy » 05 Apr 2017, 06:28

Came across an interesting statement on operating costs (once a capability needs to be deployed in an expeditionary context; not while it is maintained within the UK). This is from evidence to the Defence Committee in 2013

" The safety and security of the overseas air bases to which it [the required air support for an expeditionary operation] deploys. If we again look at Afghanistan, the three airbases that we operate from (Kandahar, Bastion and Bagram) require
major resources to run and protect.

Kandahar and Bastion are each similar in size to a small
UK county. It is for consideration that the cost of running ONE of these airfields is no less than
the cost of running a carrier battle group offshore. The United States is covering these costs. It
is unlikely that Britain could afford to do so unilaterally."

The argument is strong, but omits the fact that there would still need to be a secure (even if a quickly prepared, rough field) base for tactical air transport (up to A400Ms that have the rough field capability) and rotary operations, even if combat air (incl. CAS) could be operated from a carrier.

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Postby easydiver » 06 Apr 2017, 23:51

Here is a nice video of the new tug, SD Tempest, that is now in Pompey awaiting the carriers: http://www.forces.net/news/new-tug-prepares-work-giant-carriers

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Postby SKB » 07 Apr 2017, 03:49

easydiver wrote:Here is a nice video of the new tug, SD Tempest, that is now in Pompey awaiting the carriers: http://www.forces.net/news/new-tug-prepares-work-giant-carriers


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Postby Thorvicson » 08 Apr 2017, 11:26

Just wondering if anybody has seen any further mention of the Large data display screens that appeared in the artwork for the CVF which were mounted on the Island to give the flight deck teams an overview of the flight deck operations ?

I would have expected to have seen them being trialled and tested by now or are they a concept that's been quietly dropped now due to either cost or practicality - Not readable, can't be seen in direct sunlight, too bright in dim conditions or even a distraction that reduces safety on the flight deck (if your trying to read a screen 100 m away you ain't looking at what's immediately around you ! )

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Postby Jessie » 08 Apr 2017, 19:05

In order to save costs, they're looking at recycling redundant signs from Britains A roads instead ;)

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Postby inch » 09 Apr 2017, 17:45

your right I think they have been quietly dropped hopping nobody will notice ,look at hms price of wales twitter artwork not on that rendering at top of page ,just a thought

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Postby Billybrick » 18 Apr 2017, 19:50

Does anybody know how many Royal Marines will be permanently stationed on the carriers as part of the crew, was wondering as manning levels and cuts to the Royal Marines in the last few weeks announced.

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Postby shark bait » 18 Apr 2017, 20:24

None would contribute to the core crew, but in assault mode there will be quite a few, HMS Ocean recent deployed with 150 marines alongside her core crew.

Escorts sometimes have a troop from the Fleet Protection Group attached for boarding operations, but the carriers won't be doing that.

Is there still a hand full of Marine fixed wing pilots?
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Postby 90inFIRST » 19 Apr 2017, 16:52

[quote="Thorvicson"]Just wondering if anybody has seen any further mention of the Large data display screens that appeared in the artwork for the CVF which were mounted on the Island to give the flight deck teams an overview of the flight deck operations ?

You can see the mounting points and access hatch's for them on the ACA flicker photo stream there def there

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Postby seaspear » 23 Apr 2017, 02:09

Is these a handrail for that accommodation ladder ?

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Postby Timmymagic » 23 Apr 2017, 13:46

seaspear wrote:Is these a handrail for that accommodation ladder ?


That was my thought as well. Even a knotted length of rope down it would help. Harbour Pilots are a tough bunch though, probably wouldn't bother them in the slightest.

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Postby Gabriele » 23 Apr 2017, 13:48

seaspear wrote:Is these a handrail for that accommodation ladder ?


HMQ Queen Elizabeth responds:

The seamanship department fit them before embarking/disembarking personnel.
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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Jake1992 » 24 Apr 2017, 16:51

http://www.ukcolumn.org/article/exclusi ... -deterrent

This shows a big reason why the QEs have had such a slow and cocked up build, it also gives good reason to the run down of the ASW assets the cock ups in the T26 and the scrapping of nimrod, and far more besides.

This should never be allowed, needs to be reversed and the politicians involved sent down

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Enigmatically » 24 Apr 2017, 21:52

Well i logged in today to give an update, but I found this so I won't bother
Jake1992 wrote:http://www.ukcolumn.org/article/exclusive-eu-take-control-british-nuclear-deterrent

This shows a big reason why the QEs have had such a slow and cocked up build, it also gives good reason to the run down of the ASW assets the cock ups in the T26 and the scrapping of nimrod, and far more besides.

This should never be allowed, needs to be reversed and the politicians involved sent down


I agree it should never be allowed. But what shouldn't be allowed is absolute bollocks like this published and claimed to be true.

Lets pick a few points shall we?
A simple Internet search on the subject of an EU army reveals entry after entry

So that is the solid research showing it is all happening is it?

Its bad that the German army is bigger than the UK one, but also bad that the EU navies (French aside) are smaller than the RN. Uh?

Repeated cuts to the size of the Royal Navy by scrapping frigates, destroyers, submarines and serviceable aircraft carriers and operational Maritime Patrol Aircraft so as to bring the RN to greater parity with the French, and particularly to weaken traditional RN operations of scale with the US

So that's why we are building 2 carriers way bigger than CDG and buying P-8s then is it? Of course that was the reason they scrapped the Nimrods. Nothing to do with the fact that they were unsafe or the new wings didn't fit or the cost kept rising

It is highly significant that the new UK aircraft carriers have been jointly designed with the French

How many times does this myth need to be shot down. NO THEY WERE NOT.

And don't go accusing the QEC build of being slow and cocked up. The only cock-ups were political, and still not as cocked up as that mess of myths, half truths and conspiracy theories you linked.

Am I going overboard in decrying this rubbish? No, this is how Trump's false news works.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby shotleylad » 24 Apr 2017, 21:54

Your link is a load of rubbish.

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Postby Thorvicson » 24 Apr 2017, 22:01

Enigmatically wrote:Well i logged in today to give an update, but I found this so I won't bother
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Bugger the Conspiracy theorist clap trap, the rest of us really want to hear your Update on the QEC's as we must be getting close now... Please :D

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Postby Aethulwulf » 24 Apr 2017, 22:07

Enigmatically wrote:Well i logged in today to give an update, but I found this so I won't bother
Jake1992 wrote:http://www.ukcolumn.org/article/exclusive-eu-take-control-british-nuclear-deterrent

This shows a big reason why the QEs have had such a slow and cocked up build, it also gives good reason to the run down of the ASW assets the cock ups in the T26 and the scrapping of nimrod, and far more besides.

This should never be allowed, needs to be reversed and the politicians involved sent down


I agree it should never be allowed. But what shouldn't be allowed is absolute bollocks like this published and claimed to be true.
100% agree. I would hope that whoever writes this tirade of drivel is kept away from matches and sharp objects for their own safety.

Enigmatically - I, for one, am still interested in the update you were planning to give us.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby zanahoria » 24 Apr 2017, 22:31

Same here! C'mon, do we really need to beg? OK, then: please, please may way have an update, Enigmatically?

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Postby Pymes75 » 24 Apr 2017, 23:05

Enigmatically wrote:Well i logged in today to give an update, but I found this so I won't bother.

Can I just ask, is the wardroom carpet still planned to be 'Jointery Purple' or have they gone back to 'Navy Blue'? ;)

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Postby R686 » 24 Apr 2017, 23:22

zanahoria wrote:Same here! C'mon, do we really need to beg? OK, then: please, please may way have an update, Enigmatically?


Secret negotiations are to rebuild the BPF using a Queen Elizabeth carrier as its center piece, Australia and New Zealand will form an Anzac Squadron ACFas part of a joint command under the auspice of demonstrating unity within the FPDA.

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Postby shark bait » 25 Apr 2017, 08:40

That should totally happen from time to time.
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Postby Timmymagic » 25 Apr 2017, 09:18

Enigmatically wrote:Am I going overboard in decrying this rubbish? No, this is how Trump's false news works.


Nope you're not. That is some seriously weapons grade conspiracy bullshit.

What worries me most is the susceptibility of so many useful idiots for this nonsense. They lack the insight, desire or understanding to check anything they read and accept everything at face value. It's like they missed some lessons at school that the rest of us attended and will forever be left behind in a befuddled state.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Smokey » 25 Apr 2017, 10:22

I agree with the general consensus in relation to the notorious article. No merit, whatsoever.

Not a single Defence related mention for the impact of:

1: the 2008 financial crisis and quantitative easing.
2: how one particular government left no money in the kitty after losing a general election and failed to provide sufficient costs for many of its Defence programmes.
3: The subsequent austerity measures on Defence by a follow on government that lead to drastic cuts in manpower, training and equipment.
4: Ongoing difficulties in recruitment and retention after unpopular wars due to poor political leadership and voter apathy.
5: How any of the above has possibly affected the CVF programme.


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