Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

[R686]

They need to have Phalanx CIWS and if possible CAMM fitted. :lol

Lol reminds me of the utter utter shite that's on the T31 thread, stopped reading it ages ago.

See what you did? Now go stand in the corner and think about what you've done.

Oh no the naughty corner!!

[Aethulwulf]

This news item reminds me of the many reasons for not going CATOBAR: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37248696

You've not heard about the rolling landings then?

Simulation of rolling landing in this video
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/simulat ... -carriers/

[hovematlot]

saw some images on twitter earlier... looks like some good kit.

dunno if I've seen the answer to this and forgotten, but will there be a cargo ramp or will everything too big to carry need to be craned onto the carriers?

We already have conveyor belt brows for store ships, food, beer etc. I guess the really big stuff will be craned on using the dockside cranes. Talking of cranes, what are the QEC using for aircraft recovery in the event of one ditching? All the old carriers had fitted cranes. I don't see one in the QEC CGIs..

[ArmChairCivvy]

I don't see one in the QEC CGIs..

LCVPs are coming, so not to worry. Considering the drop cranes might be in order (rather than davits).

Now, if one will be close to the lift(s), you might even be able to hoist something else out of the water (?).

[Gabriele]

Talking of cranes, what are the QEC using for aircraft recovery in the event of one ditching? All the old carriers had fitted cranes. I don't see one in the QEC CGIs..

Apparently, the embarked Terex truck crane is considered enough for all purposes...

[Ron5]

saw some images on twitter earlier... looks like some good kit.

dunno if I've seen the answer to this and forgotten, but will there be a cargo ramp or will everything too big to carry need to be craned onto the carriers?

We already have conveyor belt brows for store ships, food, beer etc. I guess the really big stuff will be craned on using the dockside cranes. Talking of cranes, what are the QEC using for aircraft recovery in the event of one ditching? All the old carriers had fitted cranes. I don't see one in the QEC CGIs..

The ship will sail on. The aircraft would be dead weight if recovered, no chance of onboard repair. If salvage is possible, that will be done at a later date with specialist shipping.

[easydiver]

The August programme update is here: http://www.aircraftcarrieralliance.co.u ... t-2016.pdf

[rec]

They may be impressive looking ships, but they will go to sea with an inadequate number of aircraft and helicopters, no dedicated naval fixed wing squadrons, and in a. Navy that's short of both manpower and modern escorts. They are effectively paper tigers. As much as any thing they are a symbol of how hollowed out the UK armed forces, especially the army and the Royal Navy have become.

[bobp]

At least while they are moored at Portsmouth they can be used as Exhibition centres.

[Rambo]

I think they will be manned and equiped with a decent air group but i feel to achieve this the rest of the fleet will suffer, with a drop in escort numbers inevitable (as is the case now with lancaster / dauntless)
similarly i doubt she will be putting to sea with a large RN group of warships. I reckon 1 T45 at best and 1 T23 initially otherwise coalition warships will take up the slack in the Gulf.

[bobp]

They will deploy certainly with perhaps a T45 and T23. And I imagine one of the new MARS Tankers and maybe an Astute Class Submarine. It will be a while before we get at least two squadrons of F35B but I think it will happen eventually. Pity the government cant afford a few extra in the next couple of years.

[bobp]

Meanwhile the Royal Marines want to set up a Personnel Recovery capability on board the carriers ................
http://www.janes.com/article/63405/roya ... capability

[Ron5]

Meanwhile the Royal Marines want to set up a Personnel Recovery capability on board the carriers ................
http://www.janes.com/article/63405/roya ... capability

Maybe they should buy some of the Italian spec, CSAR Merlins. Look very capable to me.

[ArmChairCivvy]

Agree, have been proposing that here (and before that on TD) for years. The spec that was drawn up for the force patrolling/ protecting the Minuteman silos was very similar (before the deal collapsed).
- Speed, range, capacity, resilience... what more can you ask for (oh, yes, commonality)
- Chinooks have speed and capacity, but then you are starting to restrict how close you can find a site to land on

[bobp]

Hopefully they will choose Merlin as we could do with a few more. I'm assuming they would need to carry additional fuel for long range missions would that be possible using internal space?

[marktigger]

Meanwhile the Royal Marines want to set up a Personnel Recovery capability on board the carriers ................
http://www.janes.com/article/63405/roya ... capability

Maybe they should buy some of the Italian spec, CSAR Merlins. Look very capable to me.

that might upset the RAF/RAF Regt

[ArmChairCivvy]

SF Chinooks have the (internal tanks, and) range
... but can they be on the scene, without being an idle resource?

[shark bait]

?

[Gabriele]

The never detailed but kind of announced news of the SDSR was that the Director Special Forces is on the hunt for long range "helicopters". Either probes for Chinook (and a couple of tanker kits for C-130) or V-22s.
The MOD has also been looking for internally transportable vehicles for quite a while, with Joint Personnel Recovery as part of the requirement.

Now, between ambitions and reality there might be differences, at times enormous, but i would think that this time around something will move.
Chinook HC5 will come out of retrofit with the digital controls; they already have the fat tanks and, given also the probe, would be excellent long-range platforms to employ. I would think they are an obvious candidate, since V-22s are probably well out of the budget range.

[Ron5]

Don't the Merlins already have probes? or at least, are fitted for them?

[Ron5]

http://www.sldinfo.com/captain-nick-wal ... a-seminar/

I found the presentation most depressing. Meaningless gobbledygook for the most part, "kill webs" and other BS.

Make sense of this if you can:

QE foils.jpg

Best effort capacity - a mere 24 F-35b's and sortie rate assumes 100% F-35B availability!!

QE foils (b).jpg

QE foils (a).jpg

Full capability not for another decade:

QE foils (c).jpg

[bobp]

I see the flight deck of the carrier has a couple of V22 aboard. I think they must be high on someones wish list for COD and perhaps tankers.

[shark bait]

Don't the Merlins already have probes? or at least, are fitted for them?

Yep but we have no tanker so it's not used.

24 jets & 14 helos, how does that compare to a Nimitz and America?

[JHC]

Don't the Merlins already have probes? or at least, are fitted for them?

Yep but we have no tanker so it's not used.

24 jets & 14 helos, how does that compare to a Nimitz and America?

Somewhat better than would CVS and even better than zilch.

[ArmChairCivvy]

Looking at the graphics (reposted by Ron):
- we'll come of age at 21 (2021)
- hope nothing bad happens in between...
- well, hasn't ever, so far