Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

[Caribbean]

QEC couldn’t. It’s way too big. Under international treaty, the limit is around 12000t, if I remember correctly. The escorts could, but not the carrier

[serge750]

Did not know that , thanks for the info

[tomuk]

You would, in theory, need dock large enough for the carrier to be cut in two, the halves pulled apart to leave enough room for the new center block to be built in situ before pushing them all back together. The dock would also need to have enough infrastructure to support building a new block and a skilled workforce.

We're talking about a dock upwards of 400m in length in an active shipyard. I don't think there is such a location in the UK.

Could they not cut a QEC were they wanted to put the block in, then float out the rear section then float in a pre made section ( from portsmouth? as an example ) weld it in place then float in the rear section? heck of Lot of work would be involved

Be better ( maybe cheaper, if no bells n whistles ) of building a smaller 3rd flat top to replace HMS Ocean but interesting idea

One of the reasons for bankruptcy of a previous incarnation of Cammell Laird was inserting a block in a cruise ship. CL built the insert block but the owners changed their mind and the ship never turned up to be cut in half.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Classica

[imperialman]

The U.S. Naval Air Traffic Management Systems Program Office completed Precision Approach and Landing System certification on HMS Queen Elizabeth in March, the system is a "US owned asset" apparently.

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/pals-ce ... elizabeth/

[bobp]

The U.S. Naval Air Traffic Management Systems Program Office completed Precision Approach and Landing System certification on HMS Queen Elizabeth in March, the system is a "US owned asset" apparently.

So does the UK use this system to land on the QE, or is this US only. And who paid to install it, bearing in mind it is US owned?

[inch]

Interesting article on RN site about an award to a team diagnosis and fix for fuel filter fault on Prince of Wales ,but also interesting that in the official web site stating 68k tonnes carrier , easily missed reading it in the article , would link but I'm rubbish at tech ie attaching stuff l, computers ,phones email etc lol ,but well done team and an award well deserved

[Ron5]

The U.S. Naval Air Traffic Management Systems Program Office completed Precision Approach and Landing System certification on HMS Queen Elizabeth in March, the system is a "US owned asset" apparently.

So does the UK use this system to land on the QE, or is this US only. And who paid to install it, bearing in mind it is US owned?

Seems there are two parts: one for the USMC owned by the US (JPALS), and the other bought by the UK via FMS (ICLS) for the RN. Collectively they are known as PALS and they're now both qualified for use.

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news ... -elizabeth

[bobp]

Thanks Ron.

[inch]

Can someone tell me how many Britains f35 and American f35 will be embarked on CSG 21 ,if someone knows ,or might be a secret yet ? I know last time we both trained think was only 5 British f35b and loads of helicopters and 9 USMC f35b but please correct me if wrong , cheers

[PhillyJ]

Well PWLS did a fast cruise yesterday (Thursday), before anyone gets their hopes up this seems to be a day where they stay alongside and do exercises and wotnot as if they are at sea.

As it coincided with my lunch, I got to see my nippers head above the parapet when they did the ship under attack scenario.

They also had a Wildcat land on her late afternoon, things are all ramping up for her next trip out.

[ETH]

Can someone tell me how many Britains f35 and American f35 will be embarked on CSG 21 ,if someone knows ,or might be a secret yet ? I know last time we both trained think was only 5 British f35b and loads of helicopters and 9 USMC f35b but please correct me if wrong , cheers

As far as I’m aware it has not been publicly confirmed, though most people expect somewhere around 15 jets (with USMC outnumbering RAF aircraft, at least for this deployment).

[dmereifield]

I'd hazard an uneducated guess at 8+8....

[Ron5]

I'd hazard an uneducated guess at 8+8....

With 24+0 in 3 years time, right??

[The Armchair Soldier]

HMS Queen Elizabeth will not be fitted with 4 x 30 mm cannons as previously planned:

[Jensy]

HMS Queen Elizabeth will not be fitted with 4 x 30 mm cannons as previously planned:

"..for a ha'p'orth of tar?"

[Lord Jim]

And the "Penny pinchers", have taken over the asylum once again!

[serge750]

Maybe the lasers are ready to go......

[Poiuytrewq]

Maybe the lasers are ready to go......

More likely to be the paintball guns

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/defence ... gibraltar/

[SW1]

Must of spent the budget on plumbers!

[Scimitar54]

Cannon to be borrowed from HMS Victory firing Grape Shot?

[dmereifield]

I'd hazard an uneducated guess at 8+8....

With 24+0 in 3 years time, right??

You know it makes sense, mangetout, as the French would say...

Looking forward to 30 in 2030

[Max Jones]

I'd hazard an uneducated guess at 8+8....

With 24+0 in 3 years time, right??

We will still be operating with USMC jets beyond 3 years regardless of how many aircraft we have available. Jointly operating both is mutually beneficial and not impacted directly by the number of UK aircraft available.

[Ron5]

Maybe the lasers are ready to go......

Or Ceptors

[serge750]

I'd hazard an uneducated guess at 8+8....

With 24+0 in 3 years time, right??

We will still be operating with USMC jets beyond 3 years regardless of how many aircraft we have available. Jointly operating both is mutually beneficial and not impacted directly by the number of UK aircraft available.

I think its a good idea for joint ops to have a fuller deck on the carriers, helps with operating methods, intergration and training, it also leave airframes for the RAF owned jets to play onshore aswell, so i think its a win win as its doubtful we will have lots availiable just for the carriers

[SKB]

^ QE hangar deck yesterday.