Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

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inch wrote:Think USMC /navy Will be taking close watch how hmsqe preforms next year to asses the small carrier concept as being reported in navylookout today,I don't mean they would want a qe class not their cup of tea at all but how the concept will workout and possibly take some pointers from the qe design if it works for them as a small f35 mini carrier, ie automation and design around a 5th gen aircraft,as said before I do hope the usmc onboard hmsqe come back with some good things to report about the ship and have a great time onboard this time and in first deployment in 21
The USN has already got small F-35 carriers thank you. Chances of them acquiring a QE, or QE look alike, hover somewhere around zero.

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Ron5 wrote:
inch wrote:Think USMC /navy Will be taking close watch how hmsqe preforms next year to asses the small carrier concept as being reported in navylookout today,I don't mean they would want a qe class not their cup of tea at all but how the concept will workout and possibly take some pointers from the qe design if it works for them as a small f35 mini carrier, ie automation and design around a 5th gen aircraft,as said before I do hope the usmc onboard hmsqe come back with some good things to report about the ship and have a great time onboard this time and in first deployment in 21
The USN has already got small F-35 carriers thank you. Chances of them acquiring a QE, or QE look alike, hover somewhere around zero.
It will be even less than zero if the Biden/Harris ticket wins. In fact i am sure a big axe will fall on the military budget, got to pay for the green new deal, and all of the free stuff promised somehow!

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Ok ron5 ,not qe clone as ive already said or anything to do with qe ship in shape but might build design features similar to qe design on , their own ships as I've said possibly
automation for weapons handling ,ramp , simulators if not already doing it ,they could do all that on a America class or whatever they thinking of building ,

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Is biden the Jeremy Corbyn of the USA or at least that way of thinking ? I feel for you if so and the UK as it won't do us any favours .soz wrong thread but had to ask ,cheers

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Timmymagic wrote:
Poiuytrewq wrote:Hopefully the "ship without planes" narrative is now well and truly confined to history.
It has now migrated to...'the aircraft carrier with US planes'. Which ignores the UK aircraft (including all the Merlin) onboard. But, lets be fair it is also true. The fact that the programme plan has clearly shown this for years obviously doesn't stop this...

The annoying thing is that the 'carrier with US planes' will sustain the criticisms for at least the next year or so, including through CSG21. it may well last until 2025 when all the initial 48 F-35 are delivered. It will then move on to lack of escorts and solid stores ships (and again there will be some truth to that).

Basically....there is nothing that they won't criticise. The only thing that would assuage some of those critics is a further 48 F-35B on top of the 48 we're getting, 3 Solid Stores Ships, the T45 re-starting in production with 6 more ordered, the full 14 T26 ordered and T31 still...

And they'd then moan about Merlin Crowsnest..... If we'd bought a Nimitz, full US airwing and CSG they'd have complained about the cost...

Best just to correct and ignore.
But those complaints are totally justified. Surely we all support them 100%.

Yes, the F-35's are arrived way too slow and in too low quantities. QE is on the verge of being fully operational and the best the RAF can do is put 5 onboard

Yes, Crowsnest is late, the contract should have been placed earlier so there was no gap after the Sea King AEW was taken out of service

Yes, the FSS should have been ordered and built years ago. All three of them.

Yes, the RN is short of escorts. Six type 45 is a disgrace and are insufficient to provide air cover for all the Navy's needs.

Yes, the T26 were ordered at least a decade too late, in too small a number, and are being built way too slowly.

Yes, there are not enough Astutes to guarantee the on duty carrier will always have one as an escort.

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ThunderPants wrote:
Ron5 wrote:
inch wrote:Think USMC /navy Will be taking close watch how hmsqe preforms next year to asses the small carrier concept as being reported in navylookout today,I don't mean they would want a qe class not their cup of tea at all but how the concept will workout and possibly take some pointers from the qe design if it works for them as a small f35 mini carrier, ie automation and design around a 5th gen aircraft,as said before I do hope the usmc onboard hmsqe come back with some good things to report about the ship and have a great time onboard this time and in first deployment in 21
The USN has already got small F-35 carriers thank you. Chances of them acquiring a QE, or QE look alike, hover somewhere around zero.
It will be even less than zero if the Biden/Harris ticket wins. In fact i am sure a big axe will fall on the military budget, got to pay for the green new deal, and all of the free stuff promised somehow!
US defense cut will not happen whoever wins. You can take that to the bank.

By the way, Trump has been no great friend to the military budget wise. What he twitters and what he has done are miles apart.

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inch wrote:Ok ron5 ,not qe clone as ive already said or anything to do with qe ship in shape but might build design features similar to qe design on , their own ships as I've said possibly
automation for weapons handling ,ramp , simulators if not already doing it ,they could do all that on a America class or whatever they thinking of building ,
Yes, definitely. QE has advanced the art no doubt.

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Ron5 wrote:QE is on the verge of being fully operational and the best the RAF can do is put 5 onboard
The RAF have some F35B in Cyprus, I dont know if they have returned yet. Otherwise 5 is a dismal figure and all because the MOD cant afford any more at the moment. Give it a year or two and they will have more to play with.

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bobp wrote:
Ron5 wrote:QE is on the verge of being fully operational and the best the RAF can do is put 5 onboard
The RAF have some F35B in Cyprus, I dont know if they have returned yet. Otherwise 5 is a dismal figure and all because the MOD cant afford any more at the moment. Give it a year or two and they will have more to play with.
They're back, it was only for a couple of months to trial the deployment of a packet of F-35 overseas IIRC

But I think the problem is as these are joint RAF/RN aircraft, the RAF will always want a reserve of aircraft for land ops regardless

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Ron5 wrote:
ThunderPants wrote:
Ron5 wrote:
inch wrote:Think USMC /navy Will be taking close watch how hmsqe preforms next year to asses the small carrier concept as being reported in navylookout today,I don't mean they would want a qe class not their cup of tea at all but how the concept will workout and possibly take some pointers from the qe design if it works for them as a small f35 mini carrier, ie automation and design around a 5th gen aircraft,as said before I do hope the usmc onboard hmsqe come back with some good things to report about the ship and have a great time onboard this time and in first deployment in 21
The USN has already got small F-35 carriers thank you. Chances of them acquiring a QE, or QE look alike, hover somewhere around zero.
It will be even less than zero if the Biden/Harris ticket wins. In fact i am sure a big axe will fall on the military budget, got to pay for the green new deal, and all of the free stuff promised somehow!
US defense cut will not happen whoever wins. You can take that to the bank.

By the way, Trump has been no great friend to the military budget wise. What he twitters and what he has done are miles apart.
Oh wow you can have your cake and eat it for real who knew, so it is possible after all to get free stuff, get free health care, pay for a green new deal and make no new budget cuts. Looks like Corbyn was right all the time!! i should of voted for him just for the free internet he was promising at least.

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The Pumas are interesting wonder if they are thinking of doing this at sea like the French a lot of work the crews would have to do the dunker

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ThunderPants wrote:
Ron5 wrote:
ThunderPants wrote:
Ron5 wrote:
inch wrote:Think USMC /navy Will be taking close watch how hmsqe preforms next year to asses the small carrier concept as being reported in navylookout today,I don't mean they would want a qe class not their cup of tea at all but how the concept will workout and possibly take some pointers from the qe design if it works for them as a small f35 mini carrier, ie automation and design around a 5th gen aircraft,as said before I do hope the usmc onboard hmsqe come back with some good things to report about the ship and have a great time onboard this time and in first deployment in 21
The USN has already got small F-35 carriers thank you. Chances of them acquiring a QE, or QE look alike, hover somewhere around zero.
It will be even less than zero if the Biden/Harris ticket wins. In fact i am sure a big axe will fall on the military budget, got to pay for the green new deal, and all of the free stuff promised somehow!
US defense cut will not happen whoever wins. You can take that to the bank.

By the way, Trump has been no great friend to the military budget wise. What he twitters and what he has done are miles apart.
Oh wow you can have your cake and eat it for real who knew, so it is possible after all to get free stuff, get free health care, pay for a green new deal and make no new budget cuts. Looks like Corbyn was right all the time!! i should of voted for him just for the free internet he was promising at least.
I think he's trying to say he may well be a lot less radical than people think should he be elected.

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Puma's must just be visiting whilst she's in port surely? Thought there were real restrictions on using them at sea as their high CoG made them unsafe (in the UK's eye's, Super Puma is used afloat elsewhere) for operations. Don't think we ever saw any on HMS Ocean. Seem to remember that was one of the reasons why none went to the Falklands.

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I know that it was going to be a busy day today on PWLS, showing off a bit of stuff...

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(Solent Wave) 7th October 2020
Puma helicopters circling around HMS Prince of Wales prior to landing.


(Solent Wave) 7th October 2020
Chinook Landing on aircraft carrier HMS Prince of Wales

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(NavyLookout/AmzJS13) 7th October 2020
Helicopter action on HMSPWLS alongside in Portsmouth today. First landing by an RAF Puma, plus a Chinook and a private AW109SP

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I wonder who is using the AW-109SP. It was allegedly being used on the Isles of Scilly route but has an...interesting set of destinations for a private helicopter over the last few weeks..

Thinking about it...Royal Visit?

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Timmymagic wrote:I wonder who is using the AW-109SP. It was allegedly being used on the Isles of Scilly route but has an...interesting set of destinations for a private helicopter over the last few weeks..

Thinking about it...Royal Visit?
VIP's also use this I believe, not just Royals.

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Timmymagic wrote:I wonder who is using the AW-109SP.
Looks like it was Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy.
https://www.president.gov.ua/en/news/pr ... niyi-64353
More,
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/from ... e-of-wales

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It was, did know about this but waited for it to go public so apologies for my less than informative posts! My nipper has been doing 2 days of honour guard training for the visit, after a weekend on ship guard duty, and
he was a tad knackered. :lol:

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(Steven A Wenham) 7th October 2020

More from yesterdays visit by the Ukranian president to PoW.

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Curious to see the Pumas there - do you think we are trying to sell them the Puma fleet?
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This has to be one of my favourite pics of her so far:

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Also, a BBC Executive Producer on Twitter confirmed filming of Warship series 3 was underway. Definitely gonna be one to watch.

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A good number of tails :) , too
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