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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby The Armchair Soldier » 07 Jul 2020, 13:19

dmereifield wrote:
The Armchair Soldier wrote:The four escorts selected to accompany the CSG 2021 deployment are HMS Daring, HMS Defender, HMS Kent and HMS Richmond.



Nice, shame.about the airwing, though. Are both the T23 ASW? I'm somewhat doubtful if we could muster 4 escorts regularly for each deployment though


From what I remember reading, it’s just a demonstration of what we could do if push came to shove, nothing regular.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Tempest414 » 07 Jul 2020, 13:28

going forward will be more like the French carrier group they seem to send 2 escorts and then 3 allied escorts the last French group had a Type 45 and IH class attached

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby SKB » 07 Jul 2020, 13:42

HMS Daring ready by May 2021? No chance.
Daring in 14 Dock, 25th June 2020
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EDIT: It definitely did say Daring, seems to have been changed now.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Jensy » 07 Jul 2020, 13:43

Out of interest (if there's been any indication), which way round the world is the task group going to be going:

Picking up the Yanks from home and sailing Westbound, or a grand tour of the Med, M.E, Indian Ocean etc?

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby SDL » 07 Jul 2020, 13:57

Wasn't it said ages ago that the first deployment would take in the South China Seas?

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Tempest414 » 07 Jul 2020, 14:17

SKB wrote:HMS Daring ready by May 2021? No chance.


Am i missing something it says HMS Diamond and Defender above so what has Daring got to do with it?

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby dmereifield » 07 Jul 2020, 14:27

The Armchair Soldier wrote:
dmereifield wrote:
The Armchair Soldier wrote:The four escorts selected to accompany the CSG 2021 deployment are HMS Daring, HMS Defender, HMS Kent and HMS Richmond.



Nice, shame.about the airwing, though. Are both the T23 ASW? I'm somewhat doubtful if we could muster 4 escorts regularly for each deployment though


From what I remember reading, it’s just a demonstration of what we could do if push came to shove, nothing regular.


That's what I assumed. 2 ASW and 1 AAD for peace time deployment is enough, surely? Especially when local forward deployed units will join the group as and when, and allied escorts will also join.

Certainly a nice looking group for the debut deployment, looking forward to the photos in due course!

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Aethulwulf » 07 Jul 2020, 22:14

dmereifield wrote:
The Armchair Soldier wrote:The four escorts selected to accompany the CSG 2021 deployment are HMS Daring, HMS Defender, HMS Kent and HMS Richmond.



Nice, shame.about the airwing, though. Are both the T23 ASW? I'm somewhat doubtful if we could muster 4 escorts regularly for each deployment though
Yes, both HMS Kent and HMS Richmond are ASW Type 23s.

HMS Richmond came out of refit quite recently and in addition to Sea Ceptor, etc she has also been fitted with up rated diesel generators. HMS Kent has also been through the Sea Ceptor refit and recommissioned in Oct 2018.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby dmereifield » 07 Jul 2020, 22:37

Aethulwulf wrote:
dmereifield wrote:
The Armchair Soldier wrote:The four escorts selected to accompany the CSG 2021 deployment are HMS Daring, HMS Defender, HMS Kent and HMS Richmond.



Nice, shame.about the airwing, though. Are both the T23 ASW? I'm somewhat doubtful if we could muster 4 escorts regularly for each deployment though
Yes, both HMS Kent and HMS Richmond are ASW Type 23s.

HMS Richmond came out of refit quite recently and in addition to Sea Ceptor, etc she has also been fitted with up rated diesel generators. HMS Kent has also been through the Sea Ceptor refit and recommissioned in Oct 2018.


Great, thanks

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Aethulwulf » 07 Jul 2020, 23:08

HMS Defender was accepted back into the fleet in Summer 2018, following a refit that included the installation of the Shaman communications electronic support measures (CESM) fit to used to gather signals intelligence.

HMS Diamond returned to sea a few days ago after completing a long maintenance period.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby shark bait » 08 Jul 2020, 08:39

Timmymagic wrote:I remember when it was 12 and 12, then 12 and 8....now 8 and 6...


Wishful thinking. When was the last time the RAF deployed 12 typhoon overseas? Ever?
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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby downsizer » 08 Jul 2020, 09:31

shark bait wrote:
Timmymagic wrote:I remember when it was 12 and 12, then 12 and 8....now 8 and 6...


Wishful thinking. When was the last time the RAF deployed 12 typhoon overseas? Ever?


Pretty much every year since about 2015.

Not in the same place mind.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby inch » 08 Jul 2020, 14:06

Wonder if there will be 4 big European carriers in the 2030 then ? 2 X qe class ( if they both survive) and 1 possibly 2 larger nuclear french and possible french / German second of class carrier.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Ron5 » 08 Jul 2020, 14:37

From The Brit, firstly the UK deployment followed by the 2020 French equivalent to make everyone feel good altho there's reason to believe that's not 100% accurate (too many Rafales, not enough escorts).

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Tempest414 » 08 Jul 2020, 15:05

Taking away the aircraft for a moment is this the ships each navy is deploying as part of each of there carrier group. As said before the French tend to do this i.e the carrier and two escorts but then have allied escorts join the group and as also said the last French carrier group also had a type 45 and a IH class plus one other

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby PhillyJ » 08 Jul 2020, 15:13

Would have been nice to have them all leave Pompey at the same time for the deployment, but I know that HMS Richmond has already relocated to Devonport and HMS Kent was due to as well at some point so that the ASW and GP Frigates are all grouped together at different bases.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby RichardIC » 08 Jul 2020, 15:17

inch wrote:possible french / German second of class carrier


Where on earth has that been proposed?

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Jake1992 » 08 Jul 2020, 15:36

RichardIC wrote:
inch wrote:possible french / German second of class carrier


Where on earth has that been proposed?


Wasn’t it floated last year as a “joint” European carrier based off the next french design, I believe Merkal was in support of the idea.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby RichardIC » 08 Jul 2020, 16:10

Jake1992 wrote:Wasn’t it floated last year as a “joint” European carrier based off the next french design, I believe Merkal was in support of the idea.


https://www.defensenews.com/global/euro ... t-carrier/

I missed that. Floated in a newspaper column, so not an official proposal or policy.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby PhillyJ » 08 Jul 2020, 16:13

Jake1992 wrote:Wasn’t it floated last year as a “joint” European carrier based off the next french design, I believe Merkal was in support of the idea.
According to this it was Merkels successor in her party, but seems to be a bit more wishful thinking than anything likely to happen anytime soon, if at all.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Tempest414 » 08 Jul 2020, 16:47

Maybe that is why Germany are going for F-18s so they something to fly off any new carrier

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby RichardIC » 08 Jul 2020, 17:14

PhillyJ wrote:According to this it was Merkels successor in her party, but seems to be a bit more wishful thinking than anything likely to happen anytime soon, if at all.


Yeah, but she also said "(we)... have to do other things as a priority."

Which is usually code for not wanting to contradict someone publicly but indicating you think it's a load of cobblers

https://www.dw.com/en/angela-merkel-bac ... a-47860895

UKDJ can be very selective with their reporting and I really don't get why they ran this three months after the event.

Tempest414 wrote:Maybe that is why Germany are going for F-18s so they something to fly off any new carrier


Nope, the US won't let them integrate their nukes onto Eurofighter.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Tempest414 » 08 Jul 2020, 17:24

RichardIC wrote:Nope, the US won't let them integrate their nukes onto Eurofighter.


Thank I know the real reason I was being flippant. However with F-18 E/F and G and putting the second carrier aside a French carrier with a mixed German unit of 8 F-18F's and 4 G's could bring something to the table

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Ron5 » 08 Jul 2020, 17:28

Why would Germany want a carrier? Never really had one before.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Tempest414 » 08 Jul 2020, 18:11

This is a better question and this why I would say if they go for F-18 then pick the best pilots from the program to go on to do carrier training giving them a squadron that could join the French carrier


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