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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Scimitar54 » 01 Apr 2020, 14:31

Alongside they may be, but they are most definitely not “Laid Up”! :mrgreen:

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby PhillyJ » 01 Apr 2020, 15:33

Scimitar54 wrote:Alongside they may be, but they are most definitely not “Laid Up”! :mrgreen:
Perhaps bad use of phrase there, but I don't know, they've had to close down the on board Gym and are practising the 2m distance rule...somehow! Do not despair though, the NAAFI is open and my lad says the mess fridge is well stocked with suitable refreshment. :lolno:

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Scimitar54 » 01 Apr 2020, 17:49

A mess without the possibility of a “Wet”, is after all (regrettably) a USN mess!

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Postby seaspear » 01 Apr 2020, 21:41

I hope this discussion does not go off the thread but recent comments on U.A.V,s for the carriers suggested some with a twenty metre wingspan some nine metres greater than the f35b and not how a aircraft that size would impact deck operations nor was there any mention if such a sized uav would be able to be stowed in the lifts
The article attached from save the R.N provides some earlier concerns from 2015 on this and unless as the article suggests back then some "black" program is being developed for a stovl type craft then its still being kept in the dark
https://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/unmann ... l-systems/
Another option is the use of drop tanks on the present f35b operating from the carrier to perform such tasks at a longer distance from the carrier and having a much better sensor array than any of the uav,s ,drop tanks are not cheap of course but compared to some of the uav,,s a bargain
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/2 ... good-thing

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Old RN » 02 Apr 2020, 14:43

seaspear wrote:I hope this discussion does not go off the thread but recent comments on U.A.V,s for the carriers suggested some with a twenty metre wingspan some nine metres greater than the f35b and not how a aircraft that size would impact deck operations nor was there any mention if such a sized uav would be able to be stowed in the lifts


Could that be a Thales Watchkeeper? It could be easily dismantled on deck?

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Postby seaspear » 02 Apr 2020, 23:56

I was refering to the "Protector" or mq-9 with a twenty metre wingspan that had benn raised for its endurance ,I believe an advantage of using an f35b with extra fuel tanks even though not stealthy would have significantly better sensors than any uav and would be easier on the ships logistics ,of Crowsnest equipped helicopters will also be deployed from the crriers believed this year ,I cant speculate on the capabilities of Crowsnest and how its complementry to the f35 in sensor abilities
The article below suggests that the F35 can detect ballistic misssile launches which could be handy in an aircraft from its ship which may be the target of such ,but this is all just speculation of course
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/ ... iles-79426

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Postby abc123 » 03 Apr 2020, 07:59

Considering that the RN can't fund a few Boeing Scan Eagle small and simple UAVs all this talk is a moot point. :thumbdown:
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Postby seaspear » 03 Apr 2020, 11:19

Its not possible to compare uavs and their unit prices are likely confidential Im sure if the U.S.M.C got serious about drop tanks or conformal tanks for their f35b the R.N would certainly be interested would expect other countries flying the f35b to also be involved to bring costs down ,I have posted this on the carrier thread as having an enhanced range for the f35b is critical for the carrier and may not be so important when operated on land bases
https://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org ... s-for-f-35

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Scimitar54 » 03 Apr 2020, 13:02

An onboard A2A refuelling capability would, as I have posted previously be far better than either drop or conformal tanks as it would not restrict F35B MTOW. :mrgreen:

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby seaspear » 04 Apr 2020, 01:03

Agree thats a great option , but I can not find any news on this since this earlier article
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/shipbor ... -carriers/

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby SKB » 10 Apr 2020, 13:14


(Nick Francis) 9th April 2020
HMS Queen Elizabeth “clapping” for carers.
#clappingforcarers


And from PoW too:

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Repulse » 12 Apr 2020, 11:56

The Sunday Times reporting that HMS Queen Elizabeth will sail on April 27.
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Postby seaspear » 12 Apr 2020, 20:24

With the events on other naval carriers concerning the virus is there a testing regime before the crew embarks ?

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby SW1 » 12 Apr 2020, 23:38

Just some lockdown missing but going back to the ISR requirement up thread any consideration that you may get a Britten Norman defender on and off a carrier to conduct such missions.

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Postby Ron5 » 13 Apr 2020, 14:43

SW1 wrote:Just some lockdown missing but going back to the ISR requirement up thread any consideration that you may get a Britten Norman defender on and off a carrier to conduct such missions.


As opposed to Merlin with or without Crowsnest or an F-35B? I don't think so.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby PhillyJ » 14 Apr 2020, 11:54

SKB wrote:(Nick Francis) 9th April 2020
HMS Queen Elizabeth “clapping” for carers.
#clappingforcarers
Heard them from the house in Fareham as we were out clapping, my nipper said it was quite emotional hearing all the ships horns, he was pretty sure all RN ships in port sounded theirs.

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Postby abc123 » 14 Apr 2020, 17:27

Ron5 wrote:An interesting post from Xavier for all those that think the RN should acquire this capability ..

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2020/04/cmv-22b-osprey-ferry-flight-demonstrates-successful-fusion-of-developmental-operational-test/#prettyPhoto

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USMC should soon have a few they don't need...
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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby PhillyJ » 15 Apr 2020, 15:54

Ron5 wrote:An interesting post from Xavier for all those that think the RN should acquire this capability ..
Thanks for posting Ron, not only was the article interseting but I got to see a pic of a Greyhound in flight which I haven't seen for ages!

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby PhillyJ » 15 Apr 2020, 15:59

Repulse wrote:The Sunday Times reporting that HMS Queen Elizabeth will sail on April 27.
My nipper said that is still what he heard, end of April. He is off ship from today for 2 weeks as they are alternating Port/Starboard crews for duty, but staying at his Sisters as my Wife and youngest Daughter both suffer from Asthma so not worth risking it...not that we do not like our eldest Daughter (!) but her husband-to-be (unfortunately they had to postpone their wedding which was supposed to be 2 weekends ago) is in the Army and back and forth to local camp anyhow.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Max Jones » 16 Apr 2020, 19:07

PhillyJ wrote:
Repulse wrote:The Sunday Times reporting that HMS Queen Elizabeth will sail on April 27.
My nipper said that is still what he heard, end of April. He is off ship from today for 2 weeks as they are alternating Port/Starboard crews for duty, but staying at his Sisters as my Wife and youngest Daughter both suffer from Asthma so not worth risking it...not that we do not like our eldest Daughter (!) but her husband-to-be (unfortunately they had to postpone their wedding which was supposed to be 2 weekends ago) is in the Army and back and forth to local camp anyhow.

Do you why they are sailing? I heard it was related to training but I'm not sure if that means more sea trials, pilot qualifications or something completely unrelated.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby bobp » 16 Apr 2020, 20:33

Definitely training mission for QE. Suspect more carrier qualifications for aircrew, plus carrier crew exercises.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby seaspear » 17 Apr 2020, 13:49

Is there any information on the "Prewetting "system used on the Queen Elizabeth carriers , this is a system that was originally used to wash off nuclear and chemical weapon residue but later found to be useful to assist in masking the infrared red signature
http://www.leongalle.com/Documents/Gall ... 0Red%20(IR)%20Signatures.pdf
It would be interesting to to know the amount of water sprayed as a mist on the ship there have been some good pictures on twitter I cant though recall if these were on the forum or as a discussion about this

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Ron5 » 17 Apr 2020, 16:05

bobp wrote:Definitely training mission for QE. Suspect more carrier qualifications for aircrew, plus carrier crew exercises.


The Navy previously stated that QE will be in a period of basic operational training until CSG Exercise Crimson Ocean in June. And then, in the Fall the entire CS group will exercise together prior to their certification in early 2021.


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