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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby PhillyJ » 04 Feb 2020, 12:52

PWLS turning bows south tomorrow lunchtime at 1300.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby PhillyJ » 05 Feb 2020, 11:13

If anyone is around and about in Liverpool at the end of the month. 8-)


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Postby SKB » 05 Feb 2020, 11:43

You mean I have to go to Liverpool to go aboard as a visitor, on a ship class that's based in my own home city and has never been open to the public?!
Pfft... :roll:

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Postby PhillyJ » 05 Feb 2020, 15:05

SKB wrote:You mean I have to go to Liverpool to go aboard as a visitor, on a ship class that's based in my own home city and has never been open to the public?!
Pfft... :roll:
Fraid so, it's like when you see all the other RN ships opening their gangways when visiting national and foreign ports, yet people in Pompey and Plymouth get limited access to them. How I miss Navy Days, mind you, the RN dockyard was a lot more accessible in those days.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby serge750 » 05 Feb 2020, 17:13

I replied to that tweet to ask if they will be doing a Portsmouth open day, so if lots of peeps tweet.... does look likely :clap: :thumbup: IMO to publicise great Britain's global ambitions or maybe they think Portsmouth would be to busy !

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Postby SKB » 05 Feb 2020, 20:27

And its not as if Victory Jetty is a million miles from publicly accessible exhibits like HMS Victory, Mary Rose, NRNM and M33....

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Postby djkeos » 05 Feb 2020, 22:02

In 2009 it was easy to visit HMS Daring in Portsmouth, so what might have changed??

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Postby Scimitar54 » 05 Feb 2020, 22:53

Those in charge are less DARING? :D

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Postby PhillyJ » 06 Feb 2020, 09:05

As QNLZ is out and about oop north and PWLS is due to leave early next week that way, I wonder if a photo op is on the cards of them both?

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Postby Dahedd » 07 Feb 2020, 13:03

Interesting if feasible.

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/boeing- ... er-hornet/

Would give the UK access to tankers & ew support from Growlers. Discuss :?:

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Postby Phil Sayers » 07 Feb 2020, 13:47

Could SRVL be conducted sufficiently far down the deck to avoid arrester wires towards the stern of the ship or wires lowered so that they could safely be run over by a landing F-35? If so (and subject to whether a Growler could use our ski jumps as well as India's ski jumps, appropriate landing aids etc, etc and etc again) it would indeed be a significant increase in capability and cross decking ability for modest cost. Sadly I suspect it wouldn't be feasible without having to abandon SRVL if even feasible at all.

It would definitely open up some exiting possibilities though. Welcome onboard RAAF!

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Postby downsizer » 07 Feb 2020, 15:20

SKB wrote:You mean I have to go to Liverpool to go aboard as a visitor, on a ship class that's based in my own home city and has never been open to the public?!
Pfft... :roll:

SKB wrote:And its not as if Victory Jetty is a million miles from publicly accessible exhibits like HMS Victory, Mary Rose, NRNM and M33....


Having been on both, you aren't missing much. :lol:

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Postby Blackstone » 07 Feb 2020, 16:39

Dahedd wrote:Interesting if feasible.

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/boeing- ... er-hornet/

Would give the UK access to tankers & ew support from Growlers. Discuss :?:

Something to remember for when discussion of the carriers' major mid-life refits gets serious, but highly unlikely before then.

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Postby serge750 » 07 Feb 2020, 19:24

Wonder if they will try it with the F35C ??? seem to remember talk? of doing ski-jump testing with the E-2 hawkeye..or did I imagine that....

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Postby ArmChairCivvy » 07 Feb 2020, 20:42

serge750 wrote:doing ski-jump testing with the E-2 hawkeye..or did I imagine that....

perhaps putting a ski jump at both ends:
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Postby S M H » 07 Feb 2020, 22:51

serge750 wrote:seem to remember talk? of doing ski-jump testing with the E-2 hawkeye..or did I imagine that....
Test were done for the Indian navy in the 1980s when they purchased Hermes because the arrester gear room was structurally intact, The Indian Navy were looking into operating Hawkeye. There was some redesign work on the forward strut to allow for the additional stresses when the aircraft entered the ramp. However the Indians went for a cheaper option that didn't require the replacement of the arrester gear and angled deck. but as the present carriers are pre fitted. It makes the integration cheaper. I cannot see a angled deck being fitted to our carriers until there mid life refit. So the best we could hope for is tilt rotor for enhanced A.E.W.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby SKB » 08 Feb 2020, 09:09

ArmChairCivvy wrote:perhaps putting a ski jump at both ends

Ha. See, I told you back in 2016 they had this two ramps idea planned all along.... :mrgreen:
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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby ThunderPants » 08 Feb 2020, 11:07

SKB wrote:You mean I have to go to Liverpool to go aboard as a visitor, on a ship class that's based in my own home city and has never been open to the public?!
Pfft... :roll:


I am looking at flights from Toulouse right now to visit Liverpool for that weekend. Anyone have any idea were she will be docked?

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Postby SKB » 08 Feb 2020, 11:11

ThunderPants wrote:
I am looking at flights from Toulouse right now to visit Liverpool for that weekend. Anyone have any idea were she will be docked?



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Postby ThunderPants » 08 Feb 2020, 11:16

Ok thanks for that, but that does not tell me were it will dock, likely i am a dumb git and just not seen it!. Ok lets try another way, where could a ship of that size actually dock in Liverpool?

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Postby Aethulwulf » 08 Feb 2020, 11:56

ThunderPants wrote:Ok thanks for that, but that does not tell me were it will dock, likely i am a dumb git and just not seen it!. Ok lets try another way, where could a ship of that size actually dock in Liverpool?
Most likely is it will dock at the Liverpool cruise terminal, close to the iconic Liver building. There are regular cruise ship visits to Liverpool, including Queen Mary 2, so size is not an issue. Also used by MOD, for example HMS Mersey is alongside today.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby ThunderPants » 08 Feb 2020, 12:02

Aethulwulf wrote:
ThunderPants wrote:Ok thanks for that, but that does not tell me were it will dock, likely i am a dumb git and just not seen it!. Ok lets try another way, where could a ship of that size actually dock in Liverpool?
Most likely is it will dock at the Liverpool cruise terminal, close to the iconic Liver building. There are regular cruise ship visits to Liverpool, including Queen Mary 2, so size is not an issue. Also used by MOD, for example HMS Mersey is alongside today.


Really never knew there was a cruise terminal in Liverpool, but checked it on google maps and boom there it is!. Anyway flights and hotel booked for that weekend. the only worrying thing i can see is the royal navy site https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-l ... -liverpool is saying look out for ticket details, hope these tickets are not limited!

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby RichardIC » 08 Feb 2020, 18:03

ThunderPants wrote:Really never knew there was a cruise terminal in Liverpool, but checked it on google maps and boom there it is!. Anyway flights and hotel booked for that weekend. the only worrying thing i can see is the royal navy site https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-l ... -liverpool is saying look out for ticket details, hope these tickets are not limited!


Me too. Only live an hour's drive from Liverpool and hoping to make a weekend of it. My wife manages major events and she reckons they'll sell timed tours and tickets will probably run out in a couple of hours. Best guess is to follow @VisitLiverpool @MerseyMaritime @CruiseLpool and @HMSPWLS on Twitter.

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Postby SKB » 08 Feb 2020, 18:34

Here's Liverpool Cruise Terminal on Google Maps: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.40354 ... 3?hl=en-GB

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby PhillyJ » 10 Feb 2020, 10:19

For any wanting to see PWLS leave Pompey then Thursday is looking possible, but as the ship is ready to go now I guess it could be when the weather is most favourable. No timings unfortunately.


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