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Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Happyslapper » 01 May 2015, 18:17

Here we go again...

This is the continuation of a thread started in 2009 on the (now defunct) MilitaryPhotos.Net forum, and since been the gathering place for interested folk from all over, not to mention a huge amount of info. 6 million views is a pretty strong endorsement, so let's keep it up!
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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby The Armchair Soldier » 01 May 2015, 18:29

Nice to see you, mate. Thanks for bringing the thread over, too. :)

Let's make this thread as good as the one on MPN, fellas.

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Postby SKB » 01 May 2015, 18:46

Thankyou to Happyslapper. Again(!) ;)

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Postby SKB » 01 May 2015, 19:13

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^ HMS Queen Elizabeth (R08), floated out on 17th July 2014.


Introduction
The Queen Elizabeth class is a class of two aircraft carriers currently under construction for the Royal Navy. The first, HMS Queen Elizabeth, was named on 4th July 2014 by Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, with the ship commissioning planned for 2017, and an initial operating capability expected in 2020. The second, HMS Prince of Wales, is scheduled to be launched around 2017, followed by commissioning in 2020 and entering service thereafter. On 5th September 2014, at the NATO 2014 Wales summit, the (then) Prime Minister, David Cameron announced that the second carrier will be brought into service, ending years of uncertainty surrounding its future.

The contract for the vessels was announced on 25 July 2007 by the then Secretary of State for Defence, Des Browne, ending several years of delay over cost issues and British naval shipbuilding restructuring. The contracts were signed one year later on 3 July 2008 after the creation of BVT Surface Fleet through the merger of BAE Systems Surface Fleet Solutions and Vosper Thornycroft Group's VT Shipbuilding which was a requirement of the UK Government.

The vessels currently have a displacement of approximately 70,600 tonnes (69,500 long tons), but the design anticipates growth over the lifetime of the ships. The ships will be 280 metres (920 ft) long and have a tailored air group of up to forty aircraft (though are capable of carrying up to fifty at full load). They will be the largest warships ever constructed for the Royal Navy. The projected cost of the programme is £6.2 billion.

The carriers will be completed as originally planned, in a Short Take-Off and Vertical Landing (STOVL) configuration, deploying the Lockheed Martin F-35B. Following the 2010 Strategic Defence and Security Review, the British government had intended to purchase the F-35C carrier version of this aircraft, and adopted plans for Prince of Wales to be built to a Catapult Assisted Take Off But Arrested Recovery (CATOBAR) configuration. After the projected costs of the CATOBAR system rose to around twice the original estimate, the government announced that it would revert to the original design on 10th May 2012.

HMS Queen Elizabeth was formally commissioned into the Royal Navy by HM The Queen in Portsmouth on Thursday 7th December 2017.


Background
Strategic Defence Review
In May 1997, the newly elected Labour government launched the Strategic Defence Review (SDR) which re-evaluated every weapon system (active or in procurement) with the exception of the Eurofighter Typhoon and the Vanguard-class ballistic missile submarines. The report, published in July 1998, identified that aircraft carriers offer the following:

* Ability to operate offensive aircraft abroad when foreign basing may be denied.
* All required space and infrastructure; where foreign bases are available they are not always available early in a conflict and infrastructure is often lacking.
* A coercive and deterrent effect when deployed to a trouble spot.

The report concluded: "the emphasis is now on increased offensive air power, and an ability to operate the largest possible range of aircraft in the widest possible range of roles. When the current carrier force reaches the end of its planned life, we plan to replace it with two larger vessels. Work will now begin to refine our requirements but present thinking suggests that they might be of the order of 30,000–40,000 tonnes and capable of deploying up to fifty aircraft, including helicopters."

Design studies
The vessels, described as "supercarriers" by the media, legislators and sometimes by the Royal Navy, will displace approximately 70,600 t (69,500 long tons) each, over three times the displacement of its predecessor, the Invincible class. They will be the largest warships ever built in the United Kingdom. The last large carriers proposed for the Royal Navy, the CVA-01 programme, were cancelled by the Labour government in 1966. In November 2004, giving evidence to the House of Commons Defence Committee, First Sea Lord Admiral Sir Alan West explained that the sortie rate and interoperability with the United States Navy were factors in deciding on the size of the carriers and the composition of the carriers' air-wings:

"The reason that we have arrived at what we have arrived at is because to do the initial strike package, that deep strike package, we have done really quite detailed calculations and we have come out with the figure of 36 joint strike fighters, and that is what has driven the size of it, and that is to be able to deliver the weight of effort that you need for these operations that we are planning in the future. That is the thing that has made us arrive at that size of deck and that size of ship, to enable that to happen. I think it is something like 75 sorties per day over the five-day period or something like that as well."

(Admiral Sir Alan West, evidence to the Select Committee on Defence, 24 November 2004)

"I have talked with the CNO (Chief of Naval Operations) in America. He is very keen for us to get these because he sees us slotting in with his carrier groups. For example, in Afghanistan last year they had to call on the French to bail them out with their carrier. He really wants us to have these, but he wants us to have same sort of clout as one of their carriers, which is this figure at 36. He would find that very useful, and really we would mix and match with that."

(Admiral Sir Alan West, evidence to the Select Committee on Defence, 24 November 2004)

On 25th January 1999, six companies were invited to tender for the assessment phase of the project – Boeing, British Aerospace, Lockheed Martin, Marconi Electronic Systems, Raytheon and Thomson-CSF. On 23rd November 1999, the Ministry of Defence (MoD) awarded detailed assessment studies to two consortia, one led by BAe (renamed BAE Systems on 30th November 1999) and one led by Thomson-CSF (renamed Thales Group in 2000). The brief required up to six designs from each consortium with air-groups of thirty to forty Future Joint Combat Aircraft (FJCA). The contracts were split into phases; the first £5.9 million phase was for design assessment which would form part of the aircraft selection, while the second £23.5 million phase involved "risk reduction on the preferred carrier design option."

Aircraft and carrier format selection
On 17 January 2001, the UK signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) with the United States Department of Defense (DoD) for full participation in the Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) programme, confirming the JSF as the FJCA. This gave the UK input into aircraft design and the choice between the Lockheed Martin X-35 and Boeing X-32. On 26 October 2001, the US DoD announced that Lockheed Martin had won the JSF contract.

On 30 September 2002, the MoD announced that the Royal Navy and Royal Air Force would operate the STOVL F-35B variant. Also announced was that the carriers would take the form of large, conventional carriers, initially adapted for STOVL operations. The carriers, expected to remain in service for fifty years, were designed for but not with catapults and arrestor wires. The carriers were thus planned to be "future proof", allowing them to operate a generation of CATOBAR aircraft beyond the F-35. Four months later on 30 January 2003, the (then) Defence Secretary, Geoff Hoon, announced that the Thales Group design had won the competition but that BAE Systems would operate as prime contractor.

When the Secretary of State for Defence announced the contract for the vessels, the cost was initially estimated at £3.9 billion. The contracts were officially signed one year later on 3rd July 2008, after the creation of BVT Surface Fleet through the merger of BAE Systems Surface Fleet Solutions and VT Group's VT Shipbuilding which was a requirement of the UK Government. At the time of approval the first carrier was expected to enter service in July 2015 and the budget was £4,085m for two ships. The financial crisis led to a decision in December 2008 to slow production, delaying the first ship until May 2016 and the second by two years. This decision alone added £1,560m to the cost. By March 2010 the budget was estimated at £5,900m; taking off the cost of capital led to a MPR10 Capital DEL baseline cost of £5,254m at this time. If the carriers had been abandoned in the 2010 SDSR then the MoD could have cancelled £1.5bn of planned spending on Queen Elizabeth and £1.3bn of planned spending on Prince of Wales, but the loss of VAT exemption meant that cancelling one or two carriers would have overall saved £989m and £2,098m respectively. These long term savings were less important than the short term costs, there would have been nearly an extra £1bn of expenditure on cancellation costs in the FY11/12 budget. In November 2013 the contract was renegotiated with a budget of £6,200m and BAE agreeing to pay 50% of any cost overruns rather than 10% as previously.

In August 2009, speculation mounted that the UK would drop the F-35B for the F-35C model, which would have meant the carriers being built to operate conventional take off and landing aircraft using the US-designed Electromagnetic Aircraft Launch System (EMALS) catapults.

Strategic Defence and Security Review 2010
On 19th October 2010, the government announced the results of its Strategic Defence and Security Review. The review stated that only one carrier was certain to be commissioned; the fate of the other was left undecided. The second ship of the class could be placed in "extended readiness" to provide a continuous single carrier strike capability when the other was in refit, or provide the option to regenerate more quickly to a two carrier strike ability. Alternatively, the second ship could be sold in "cooperation with a close ally to provide continuous carrier-strike capability."

It was also announced that the operational carrier would have catapult and arrestor gear (CATOBAR) installed to accommodate the carrier variant of the Joint Strike Fighter rather than the short-take off and vertical-landing version.

The decision to convert Prince of Wales to CATOBAR was reviewed after the projected costs rose to around double the original estimate. On 10 May 2012, the (then) Defence Secretary, Philip Hammond, announced in Parliament that the government had decided to revert to its predecessor's plans to purchase the F-35B rather than the F-35C, and to complete both aircraft carriers with "ski-jumps" in the STOVL configuration. The total cost of the work that had been done on the conversion to a CATOBAR configuration, and of reverting the design to the original STOVL configuration, was estimated by Philip Hammond to be "something in the order of £100 million." In later testimony before a parliamentary committee, Bernard Gray, Chief of Defence Materiel, revealed that even though the carriers had been sold as adaptable and easy to convert for CATOBAR, no serious effort had been made in this direction since 2002.

Strategic Defence and Security Review 2015
On 23rd November 2015, the government published its 2015 Strategic Defence and Security Review which confirmed its plans to bring into service both Queen Elizabeth-class aircraft carriers, with one to be available at all times. The review also confirmed that one of the carriers would have enhanced amphibious capabilities. The government also reaffirmed its commitment to ordering 138 F-35 Lightning IIs, although the specific variant(s) was not mentioned. The review stated that 24 of these aircraft would be available to the aircraft carriers by 2023.


Design
General characteristics
The ships' company is 679 rising to 1,600 with air element added. A more recent parliamentary reply stated the average crew size will be 672. They will have a displacement of 65,000 tonnes on delivery, but the design allows for this to reach over 70,000 tonnes as the ship is upgraded through its lifetime. They have an overall length of 280 metres (920 ft), a width at deck level of 70 metres (230 ft), a height of 56 metres (184 ft), a draught of 11 metres (36 ft) and a range of 10,000 nautical miles (12,000 mi; 19,000 km). The Ministry of Defence decided not to use nuclear propulsion due to its high cost, so power is supplied by two Rolls-Royce Marine Trent MT30 36 MW (48,000 hp) gas turbine generator units and four Wärtsilä diesel generator sets (two 9 MW or 12,000 hp and two 11 MW or 15,000 hp sets). The Trents and diesels are the largest ever supplied to the Royal Navy, and together they feed the low-voltage electrical systems as well as four GE Power Conversion's 20 MW Advanced Induction Motor (arranged in tandem) electric propulsion motors that drive the twin fixed-pitch propellers.

Instead of a single island superstructure containing both the ship's navigation bridge and flying control (flyco) centres, the ships will have these operations divided between two structures, with the forward island for navigating the ship and the aft island for controlling flying operations. Under the flight deck are a further nine decks. The hangar deck measures 155 metres long and 33.5 metres wide (509 by 110 ft) with a height of 6.7 to 10 metres (22 to 33 ft), large enough to accommodate up to twenty fixed and rotary wing aircraft. To transfer aircraft from the hangar to the flight deck, the ships have two large lifts, each of which is capable of lifting two F-35-sized aircraft from the hangar to the flight deck in sixty seconds. The ships' only announced self-defence weapons are currently the Phalanx CIWS for airborne threats, with miniguns and 30 mm cannon to counter seaborne threats.

Systems
The ship's radars will be the BAE Systems and Thales S1850M, the same as fitted to the Type 45 destroyers, for long-range wide-area search, the BAE Systems Artisan 3D Type 997 maritime medium-range active electronically scanned array radar, and a navigation radar. BAE claims the S1850M has a fully automatic detection and track initiation that can track up to 1,000 air targets at a range of around 400 kilometres (250 mi). Artisan can "track a target the size of a snooker ball over 20 kilometres (12 mi) away", with a maximum range of 200 km. (Artisan will also be fitted to Type 23 frigates, the assault ships HMS Albion, HMS Bulwark and HMS Ocean.) They will also be fitted with the Ultra Electronics Series 2500 Electro Optical System (EOS) and Glide Path Camera (GPC).

Munitions and ammunition handling is accomplished using a Babcock designed highly mechanised weapons handling system (HMWHS). This is a first naval application of a common land-based warehouse system. The HMWHS moves palletised munitions from the magazines and weapon preparation areas, along track ways and via several lifts, forward and aft or port and starboard. The tracks can carry a pallet to magazines, the hangar, weapons preparation areas, and the flight deck. In a change from normal procedures the magazines are unmanned, the movement of pallets is controlled from a central location, and manpower is only required when munitions are being initially stored or prepared for use. This system speeds up delivery and reduces the size of the crew by automation.

Crew facilities
Crew facilities will include a cinema, physical fitness areas and four galleys manned by sixty-seven catering staff. There are four large dining areas, the largest with the capacity to serve 960 meals in one hour. There are eleven medical staff for the eight-bed medical facility, which includes an operating theatre and a dental surgery. There are 1,600 bunks in 470 cabins, including accommodation for a company of 250 Royal Marines with wide assault routes up to the flight deck.


Construction
During a speech on 21 July 2004, the (then) Defence Secretary, Geoff Hoon announced a one-year delay to allow contractual and cost issues to be resolved. The building of the carriers was confirmed in December 2005. The building would be undertaken by four companies across seven shipyards, with final block integration and assembly at Rosyth:

* BAE Systems Surface Ships – Govan (Lower Blocks 3 and 4), Scotstoun (aft island) and Portsmouth (Lower Blocks 2, 5 and forward island)
* Babcock Marine – Rosyth (Sponsons, Mast and Centre Blocks 5 and 6) and Appledore (Lower Block 1)
* A&P Group – Hebburn (Centre Block 3)
* Cammell Laird – Birkenhead (Centre Blocks 2 and 4)

In December 2007, eight diesel engines and electricity generators, four for each ship were ordered from Wärtsilä. On 4th March 2008, contracts for the supply of 80,000 tonnes of steel were awarded to Corus Group, with an estimated value of £65 million. Other contracts included £3 million for fibre optic cable, over £1 million for reverse osmosis equipment to provide over 500 tonnes of fresh water daily, and £4 million for aviation fuel systems. On 3rd April 2008, a contract for the manufacture of aircraft lifts (worth £13m) was awarded to MacTaggart Scott of Loanhead, Scotland.

In mid May 2008, the Treasury announced that it would be making available further funds on top of the regular defence budget, reportedly allowing the construction of the carriers to begin. This was followed, on 20th May 2008, by the government giving the "green light" for construction of the Queen Elizabeth class, stating that it was ready to sign the contracts for full production once the creation of the planned shipbuilding joint venture between BAE Systems and the VT Group had taken place. This joint venture, BVT Surface Fleet, became operational on 1 July 2008. VT Group later sold its share to BAE Systems which renamed the unit BAE Systems Surface Ships. It will undertake approximately forty per cent of the project workload.

On 1st September 2008, the MoD announced a £51 million package of important equipment contracts; £34 million for the highly mechanised weapons handling system for the two ships, £8 million for supply of uptake and down-take systems for both ships, £5 million for air traffic control software, £3 million for supply of pumps and associated systems engineering, and £1 million for emergency diesel generators. On 6th October 2008, it was announced that contracts had been placed for "the carriers' Rolls-Royce gas turbines, generators, motors, power distribution equipment, platform management systems, propellers, shafts, steering gear, rudders and stabilisers".

The construction of the two carriers involves more than 10,000 people from 90 companies, 7,000 of them in the six shipyards building the sections of the ships.

HMS Queen Elizabeth (R08)
The first steel cut for the project, in July 2009, signalled the start of construction of Lower Block 3 at BAE Systems Clyde, where production of Lower Block 4 started in January 2010. Meanwhile, construction of the bow Lower Block 1 was carried out at Appledore, North Devon, and was completed in March 2010.

On 25th January 2010, it was announced that the Cammell Laird shipyard has secured a £44 million contract to build the flight decks of the carriers. That same day, construction began in Portsmouth of the 6,000-tonne Lower Block 2 for Queen Elizabeth. On 16th August 2011, the 8,000-tonne Lower Block 03 of Queen Elizabeth left BAE Systems Surface Ships' Govan shipyard in Glasgow on a large ocean-going barge. Travelling 600 miles (970 km) around the northern coast of Scotland, the block arrived at Rosyth on the evening of 20th August 2011. Her forward island was built at BAE Portsmouth and attached on 14 March 2013; the aft island was attached in June 2013 and the ski jump in November 2013.

Queen Elizabeth was christened on 4th July 2014, and floated-out on 17th July 2014. Fitting out took until the end of 2015 and the crew moved aboard in May 2016 ahead of delivery and sea trials in 2017. Flight trials with helicopters will begin in 2017 and F-35B flight trials towards the end of 2018. An "operational military capability" will be declared in 2020.

On Monday 26th June 2017, HMS Queen Elizabeth departed Rosyth dockyard under the command of Captain Jerry Kyd for her initial sea trials in the North Sea, with a stop in Invergordon to refuel and assess propellor shaft damage. On Wednesday 16th August 2017, HMS Queen Elizabeth arrived at her home base in Portsmouth for the first time. On 30th October 2017, HMS Queen Elizabeth departed Portsmouth for a second period of sea trial in the English Channel.

HMS Queen Elizabeth was formally commissioned into the Royal Navy by The Queen in a ceremony in Portsmouth on Thursday 7th December 2017. Queen Elizabeth departed Portsmouth as a commissioned warship for the first time on 2nd February 2018, conducted helicopter trials off the coast of Cornwall, then arrived in Gibraltar on 9th February 2018 and departed on 12th February 2018.


HMS Prince of Wales (R09)
The 2010 Strategic Defence and Security Review (SDSR) declared that the UK needed only one aircraft carrier; however, penalty clauses in the contract meant that cancelling the second vessel would be more expensive than actually building it. The SDSR, therefore, directed that the second aircraft carrier, Prince of Wales, should be built but upon completion be either mothballed or sold. The SDSR also directed that the ship be converted to a CATOBAR configuration; however, the costs associated with the conversion escalated to £2bn, leading the government to reverse its decision and build the ship to the original STOVL configuration.

On 26th May 2011, Defence Secretary Liam Fox cut the first steel for Prince of Wales. The Royal Navy's 2012/13 yearbook stated "both carriers are likely to be commissioned and may even be capable of operating together". In 2014, the Prime Minister, David Cameron, announced that Prince of Wales would be brought into service. The ship is set to be handed over to the RN in 2019 and be fully ready for front-line duties around the globe from 2023.

On 8th September 2017, HRH Camilla, The Duchess of Rothesay named the ship at a formal ceremony at Rosyth. HMS Prince of Wales was floated out of dry dock on 21st December 2017 and was repositioned for fitting out. Under current plans, Prince of Wales will start sea trials in 2019 and be commissioned in 2020.


Ships in class
1. HMS Queen Elizabeth (R08) Named: 4th July 2014. Floated out: 17th July 2017. Commissioned: 7th December 2017.
2. HMS Prince Of Wales (R09) Named: 8th September 2017. Floated out: 21 December 2017. Commissioned: Estimated 2020.


Specifications
Type: Aircraft carrier
Displacement: 70,600 (metric) tonnes (69,500 long tons; 77,800 short tons)
Length: 280 m (920 ft)
Beam: 39 m (128 ft) (waterline)
70 m (230 ft) overall
Draught: 11 m (36 ft)
Decks: 9 decks beneath flightdeck with hangar covering the centerpiece of two decks (without islands). 16,000 m2 (170,000 sq ft)
Propulsion:
Full integrated electric propulsion
2 × Rolls-Royce Marine Trent MT30 36 MW (48,000 hp) gas turbine
4 × Wärtsilä marine diesel engines (2× 9 MW or 12,000 hp & 2× 11 MW or 15,000 hp)
4 × Converteam 20 MW Advanced Induction Motors
Speed: In excess of 25 knots (46 km/h; 29 mph)
Range: 10,000 nautical miles (19,000 km; 12,000 mi)
Royal Marines: 250
Complement: 679 ships crew, not including air element, plus berths for up to 1,600
Sensors and processing systems:
S1850M long range radar
Type 997 Artisan 3D medium range radar
Ultra Electronics Series 2500 Electro Optical System (EOS)
Glide Path Camera (GPC)
Armament:
At least 3 × Phalanx CIWS
30-mm DS30M Mk2 guns
Miniguns
Aircraft carried: Tailored air group of up to 40 aircraft (50 full load):
F-35B Lightning II
Chinook
AgustaWestland Apache
Merlin
Lynx Wildcat
Merlin Crowsnest AEW
Aviation facilities:
Large flight deck with ski jump
Hangar deck
Two aircraft lifts




HMS Queen Elizabeth assembly timelapse.



On 17th July 2014, HMS Queen Elizabeth was floated out of Dock 1 at Rosyth and berthed in Rosyth's basin for fitting-out.



In September 2014, with Rosyth Dock 1 now vacant, the second carrier, HMS Prince Of Wales soon began to take shape.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Dossbag » 01 May 2015, 19:35

Very much looking forward to seeing her when she's about on the south coast.

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Postby SKB » 01 May 2015, 19:36

The Aircraft Carrier Alliance (ACA) April 2015 newsletter:
http://www.aircraftcarrieralliance.co.u ... l-2015.pdf

HMS Prince Of Wales (PoW) Forward Island (Block UB07) has been completed at BAE in Glasgow and is now being transported to Rosyth for fitting to the carrier. Due to weather conditions, it will be going the long-way-round route via the Irish Sea, English Channel and North Sea.

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Postby Geoff_B » 01 May 2015, 23:08

So any news on the voyage of the fwd Island to Rosyth, i know its taking the southern route, but we don't seem to follow it with baited breath as we did watching QE being assembled.

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Postby SKB » 01 May 2015, 23:14

Geoff_B wrote:So any news on the voyage of the fwd Island to Rosyth, i know its taking the southern route, but we don't seem to follow it with baited breath as we did watching QE being assembled.

The name of the barge its on is called 'VT WOOLSTON' and is being tugged by 'STRATHDON'
They are currently (12:30 2/5/2015) just south of the Scottish border in the North Sea, heading northwards to Rosyth.
You can follow its journey by clicking the link below.
https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/ho ... pid:192763

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Postby SKB » 02 May 2015, 10:45

'The MoD’s procurement arm has picked VolkerStevin to build a new berth and jetty in Portsmouth for the new Queen Elizabeth class of aircraft carriers being built.'


http://www.constructionenquirer.com/201 ... rier-dock/

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Postby The Armchair Soldier » 02 May 2015, 10:53

April's ACA Newsletter was published two days ago in case anyone wasn't aware:

http://www.aircraftcarrieralliance.co.u ... l-2015.pdf

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Postby CR4ZYHOR5E » 02 May 2015, 11:08

Morning all,

Interesting news on the developments at Portsmouth thanks. I read recently that dredging is about to commence in preparation for the Dec '16 (?) arrival of QE...can't recall the extent of the works but seem to remember them saying the channel would only be made slightly deeper (1m?) but significantly wider to allow for berthing/docking.

Anyone seen any recent (decent) photos of QE? Whilst the focus is understandably on the build I think that the pickings have been pretty slim since the naming ceremony, getting on for a year ago.

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Postby SKB » 02 May 2015, 11:23

A new thread has started exclusively for the F-35, the aircraft which HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince of Wales will have flying from their decks in a few years time. Link: http://www.ukdefenceforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=45

Also, a reminder about a new tv programme about the HMS Queen Elizabeth build, it will be shown on 26th May at 9pm on UKTV's 'Yesterday' channel.
(Freeview 19, Sky 537 or Virgin 206)

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Postby SKB » 02 May 2015, 21:08

The tug 'Strathdon' pulling the PoW Forward Island, has nearly reached the Scottish border off near Berwick-upon-Tweed. Strathdon has been met by Strathglass, both are listed as Rosyth bound. I wonder if our mp.net friend 'Forth Pilot' will be involved in the final stages?

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/ho ... pid:192763

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Postby Dave » 02 May 2015, 22:26

Good to see this thread, hopefully it will be a successful continuation of the big one on MP.net.

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Postby Geoff_B » 03 May 2015, 08:45

Aprils newsletter is quite interesting, we see that most of the major blocks in build are on progress and nearing completion which is good to hear.

Did SKB spot the comment that all catwalks delivered have now been installed including the gun platform on sp02. That sounds to be ahead of schedule compared with QEs fitting out.

Glad to see a new thread about the F-35 appear, although for all the progress we discover earlier this year that they have still to find a solution to the main bulkhead cracking issue which may be part of the reason behind our rather reluctant ordering of the type, As long as they get it fixed for our main production batch that will form the basis of 809sqdn in 2021, i'm not too worried, just disappointed that they haven't fixed the issue yet.

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Postby SKB » 03 May 2015, 11:39

12:00 Forward Island update: Strathdon and Strathglass tugs are now in Scottish waters again, currently just entering into the Firth of Forth.
14:30 Not far to go, the tugs are just north-east of Edinburgh.
15:30 Haven't budged an inch in an hour. Either the site is broken or they're waiting for a pilot?

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/ho ... pid:192763

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Postby Geoff_B » 03 May 2015, 15:53

SKB wrote:12:00 Forward Island update: Strathdon and Strathglass tugs are now in Scottish waters again, currently just entering into the Firth of Forth.
14:30 Not far to go, the tugs are just north-east of Edinburgh.
15:30 Haven't budged an inch in an hour. Either the site is broken or they're waiting for a pilot?

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/ho ... pid:192763


Or the right tide, or even waiting for the dock to be cleared, as its missed its oroginal window due to taking the longer southern route. Still its there and it should be safe in harbour in the next 12-24 hrs :)

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Postby swoop » 03 May 2015, 21:29

Good morning folks! Glad to find another reincarnation of the QE thread.

I wonder with that southern route. Being longer, how much of the bad weather do they miss? The only advantage I can see is at the commencement of the journey.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby SKB » 03 May 2015, 21:31

Welcome aboard swoop, glad you found us again :)

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby swoop » 03 May 2015, 21:33

SKB wrote:Welcome aboard swoop, glad you found us again :)

Cheers.
Gotta keep up with the good ladies' progress (& PoW!).

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby The Armchair Soldier » 03 May 2015, 21:55

It's great to see you here, swoop. Likewise all the other QEC thread regulars. :)

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby SKB » 03 May 2015, 22:25

23:30 Hmm, interesting. The tug Strathdon has docked in Edinburgh, next to the Royal Yacht Britannia! Strathglass remains in the Forth.
10:00 Tug Strathglass has moved a little closer to Rosyth. It seems Strathglass has taken over from Strathdon.
11:00 Strathglass has turned and is heading out to sea again. Tide?
http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/hom ... pid:469478

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby swoop » 04 May 2015, 10:19

The Armchair Soldier wrote:It's great to see you here, swoop. Likewise all the other QEC thread regulars. :)

Cheers! Hopefully we will see the others arrive soon. :-)

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby SKB » 04 May 2015, 11:48

Twitter: 'The 680 tonne forward island of #HMSPRINCEOFWALES has arrived by barge in Rosyth. Isn't she beautiful?'

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Happyslapper » 04 May 2015, 11:56



Lovely photo. Two engineering marvels and a bit of rare Scottish sunshine. 8-)
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