River Class (OPV) (RN)

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Might actually need a much smaller gun to shoot the virus.

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A local newspaper report on the Governor overriding the Premier
https://bvinews.com/governor-overrides- ... vi-waters/
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Caribbean wrote:A local newspaper report on the Governor overriding the Premier
https://bvinews.com/governor-overrides- ... vi-waters/
Has the ex-TCI (disappeared) Premier been found
... or did he get cemento-shoes from the Russian Mafia?
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Caribbean wrote:Has the ex-TCI (disappeared) Premier been found
... or did he get cemento-shoes from the Russian Mafia?
Do you mean Michael Misick? The UK extradited him from Brazil back to TCI last time I heard anything about him. His trial has been dragging on since 2015-16. He lost a motion to chuck the case out middle of last year and is still doing his best to delay the full trial.

All I will say is that, I worked for a Caribbean bank that had a branch in TCI and I've heard a lot of stories about what he got up to (with our bank's money)

To put it in perspective, when he became premier in 2003, he declared assets of around $50,000. His current wealth is allegedly $180m. In between he earned a Government salary, or was unemployed and on the run in South America and the TCI Government sold off a huge amount of publicly-owned land at a fraction of it's true value. Draw your own conclusions.
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Caribbean wrote:was unemployed and on the run in South America and the TCI Government sold off a huge amount of publicly-owned land at a fraction of it's true value.
At 230 mln $, exactly ... still waiting for my commission on it... all these things Caribbean :shock:
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donald_of_tokyo wrote:HMS Medway to support British Virgin Islands' border control is just good. But what is the problem here? It looks like BVI governor took very strong action.

PS How about other dependencies?

So effectively HMS MEDWAY is performing the WIG role. I hasten to add one for which an OPV is well suited and a main armament of 30mm is more than adequate.

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J. Tattersall wrote:well suited and a main armament of 30mm is more than adequate.
Don't shoot before a test is taken... and :crazy: returned from the labs
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Ron5 wrote:Might actually need a much smaller gun to shoot the virus.
Wash your mouth out you being a proud American should know you will need bigger and more guns to beat anything

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The covid-19 virus is about 100 nanometers in size. So a very very small calibre weapon would be required, and an awful lot ammunition. Targeting might be an issue...

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lets start with a .22 ten barrelled Phalanx. It might not work but it would :D be fun to shoot.

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And effective at spreading the virus!!!!! If particles were to contact any nearby “ persons”.

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Interesting HMS Trent coming back to UK after long deployment to Mediterranean, and will "sail for foreign shores again this winter."

It means, she was long deployed to Mid (including Gibraltar), but not "forward deployed to Gibraltar", may be.

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No 30mm? What is going to replace it?
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I don’t believe the French have got the memo to say OPVs should not be armed with anything more than a sharp stick..

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news ... naval-ciws
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Repulse wrote: OPVs should not be armed with anything more than a sharp stick..
For a 90m long OPV, putting a CMS on it could cost the same as the hull
... so this bit (from the Janes link) is good news for exports:
". It can function either in an integrated or autonomous mode. "
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Repulse wrote:I don’t believe the French have got the memo to say OPVs should not be armed with anything more than a sharp stick..
https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news ... naval-ciws
Replacement for 7 A69 "Corvettes" and 3 54m-patrol-crafts, being 10 90m-OPVs armed with something similar to the 40mm Bofors 3P. Is it up-arming or down-arming? :D

Anyway this means the European Patrol Corvette will not be replacing the A69s.

As we know, they have 6 80m-OPV coming soon to replace 56m-patrol-crafts deployed overseas, and still has 5 Floreal Class Surveillance Frigates to be replaced. This 5 Floreals might be replaced with European Patrol Corvettes, or modified 90m-OPVs? We shall wait for new information.

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'RAPIDFire' is a strange choice of marketing by Thales, I think that gun has the slowest rate of fire of any in it's class.
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New info on French navy new OPV. Very interesting to be compared with River B2.

- displacement ~2000t
- Length ~90m
- speed 22kt
- range/endurance 5500nm/40 days
- surface-to-air radar
- sonar
- CMS
- a 40 mm RAPIDFIRE gun with EO/IR
- a flight deck, but may NOT be with a hangar.
- 140 days at sea / year, 220 days possible. Available for >300 days a year.

Note that these ships are replacing A69 corvettes and a 54m-patrol craft. At least for me, it look a bit modest in its armaments, and very similar to River B2 OPVs (other than the sonar).

Yet another interesting program :D

https://www.navalnews.com/event-news/eu ... -unveiled/

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donald_of_tokyo wrote:New info on French navy new OPV. Very interesting to be compared with River B2.

- displacement ~2000t
- Length ~90m
- speed 22kt
- range/endurance 5500nm/40 days
- surface-to-air radar
- sonar
- CMS
- a 40 mm RAPIDFIRE gun with EO/IR
- a flight deck, but may NOT be with a hangar.
- 140 days at sea / year, 220 days possible. Available for >300 days a year.

Note that these ships are replacing A69 corvettes and a 54m-patrol craft. At least for me, it look a bit modest in its armaments, and very similar to River B2 OPVs (other than the sonar).

Yet another interesting program :D

https://www.navalnews.com/event-news/eu ... -unveiled/
But if it has both a sonar and hangar then it's much more handy than a River B2?

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It depends on what sort of sonar, of course. They may well mean a simple navigation/ obstacle sonar. Be nice if it was Bluewatcher or some such (hint, hint, RN).
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dmereifield wrote:
donald_of_tokyo wrote:New info on French navy new OPV. Very interesting to be compared with River B2.

- displacement ~2000t
- Length ~90m
- speed 22kt
- range/endurance 5500nm/40 days
- surface-to-air radar
- sonar
- CMS
- a 40 mm RAPIDFIRE gun with EO/IR
- a flight deck, but may NOT be with a hangar.
- 140 days at sea / year, 220 days possible. Available for >300 days a year.

Note that these ships are replacing A69 corvettes and a 54m-patrol craft. At least for me, it look a bit modest in its armaments, and very similar to River B2 OPVs (other than the sonar).

Yet another interesting program :D

https://www.navalnews.com/event-news/eu ... -unveiled/
But if it has both a sonar and hangar then it's much more handy than a River B2?
No hangar.

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Ron5 wrote:No hangar.
Exactly. Very reasonable thinking = no need for hanger for a assets operated within land based air cover.

Another point is What sonar?
I guess it will be BlueWatcher, hull mounted FLASH, now tested onboard one of the La Fayette frigates.

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donald_of_tokyo wrote:Exactly. Very reasonable thinking = no need for hanger for a assets operated within land based air cover.
Or even elsewhere.

One could twist the acronym to be Observation&Patrol Vessel (bluewater or closer to coast) and for that purpose flying something in the class of 'Camcopter' is fine, just to dramatically increase the sphere of observation (at little cost - either upfront or ongoing).
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donald_of_tokyo wrote:New info on French navy new OPV. Very interesting to be compared with River B2.

- displacement ~2000t
- Length ~90m
- speed 22kt
- range/endurance 5500nm/40 days
- surface-to-air radar
- sonar
- CMS
- a 40 mm RAPIDFIRE gun with EO/IR
- a flight deck, but may NOT be with a hangar.
- 140 days at sea / year, 220 days possible. Available for >300 days a year.

Note that these ships are replacing A69 corvettes and a 54m-patrol craft. At least for me, it look a bit modest in its armaments, and very similar to River B2 OPVs (other than the sonar).

Yet another interesting program :D

https://www.navalnews.com/event-news/eu ... -unveiled/
I have to say apart from the sonar I would rather have a B2 River as it is capable of carrying 6 ribs/ ORC / RRC of different types or up to 6 TEU's and 50 troops plus with its Crane it can carry up to two 11 m Unmanned USV's for MCM or ASW .

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