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Re: Tide Class Tankers (MARS) (RFA)

Postby donald_of_tokyo » 28 Feb 2018, 15:37

Pongoglo wrote:Well if that's is her hanger and not a 'Squash court' as in the link it looks easily big enough for two Merlin's to me - and potentially more? :-)
http://pdb.rfaaplymouth.org/uploads/1/3 ... 7_orig.jpg
Tidespring - hanger....jpg
- Let's assume the "tie points" on the floor is 1.8m pitch.
- I can see 12 points till the top of the hangar. This gives me, 21.6m long.
- A Merlin needs 18m long hangar. So, still maybe only for 1 Merlin.
But, surely 2 or 3 Wildcat can be embarked. The ceiling is 3-stories high. Impressive.

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Re: Tide Class Tankers (MARS) (RFA)

Postby Caribbean » 28 Feb 2018, 15:45

What about width? If the ties are at 1.8m, that looks around 8-9m wide at the near end. Maybe 2 Merlin side-by-side?
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Re: Tide Class Tankers (MARS) (RFA)

Postby donald_of_tokyo » 28 Feb 2018, 15:53

スクリーンショット 2018-03-01 0.48.09.png
Looks like 14 points. If true, 25.2 m.
I agree it is wide. But the 2nd-floor "balcony" looks like prepared for Merlin. So, maybe 1 Merline? Not sure.... :angel:
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Re: Tide Class Tankers (MARS) (RFA)

Postby Pymes75 » 06 Mar 2018, 15:29

I see that Tidesurge has finally reappeared on AIS, waiting to transit the Panama Canal.

Not long now until we have 3x Tides in UK waters...

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Re: Tide Class Tankers (MARS) (RFA)

Postby Pongoglo » 07 Mar 2018, 10:35

donald_of_tokyo wrote:
スクリーンショット 2018-03-01 0.48.09.png
Looks like 14 points. If true, 25.2 m.
I agree it is wide. But the 2nd-floor "balcony" looks like prepared for Merlin. So, maybe 1 Merline? Not sure.... :angel:


I would still vote for two Merlin side by side - if it is only one with a hanger that big its a pretty poor design :-(. How do we know that the tie points are 1.8 metre between? Definitely easily accommodate two Wildcat, even the T45 can do that ....

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Re: Tide Class Tankers (MARS) (RFA)

Postby ArmChairCivvy » 07 Mar 2018, 12:57

Pongoglo wrote: if it is only one with a hanger that big its a pretty poor design


on a vessel twice the length of our previous pocket-carriers, and twice their displacement ;)
- I still think the double-funnel wraparound has something to do with this
- one Merlin for own use; another ferried to work with the Bays (once "in the area")?

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Re: Tide Class Tankers (MARS) (RFA)

Postby Aethulwulf » 07 Mar 2018, 14:05

I don't know the exact size of the hanger in the Tide class, but the RN requirement was for a hanger large enough to support and maintain 1 merlin.

If the hanger is only big enough for 1 merlin, this is not a fault of the design; the design meets the requirement.

For those who wish for a bigger hanger, all I can say is the RN customer disagrees with you.

It is not just an issue of ship design and construction costs. Manpower, as ever, is key. Does the RN have the personnel required to support 2 Merlins on each Tide, along with those deployed on QEC and elsewhere. If the answer is no, then paying for a bigger hanger is just a waste.

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Re: Tide Class Tankers (MARS) (RFA)

Postby RetroSicotte » 07 Mar 2018, 14:18

More, is it as much required there? As ACC said, they're accompanying ships that carry far more helos than they used to; and not just the carriers. Escorts too.

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Re: Tide Class Tankers (MARS) (RFA)

Postby andrew98 » 07 Mar 2018, 18:58

Would have been nice it if it had been designed for either 2 merlin's, or 1 heavy helo i.e. Chinook or maybe even a USMC CH-53K King Stallion on an exchange program.
Even if it normally had only 1 Merlin on board.

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Re: Tide Class Tankers (MARS) (RFA)

Postby benny14 » 08 Mar 2018, 00:55

So Tiderace is going to commission very soon. Tidesurge will be in the UK at the end of the month and commissioned sometime by August/September. Do we think Tideforce will make it before the end of this year or early next year? My money is on December/January for commissioning.

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Re: Tide Class Tankers (MARS) (RFA)

Postby shark bait » 08 Mar 2018, 07:35

Tideforce was suppose to be delivered in December, shes at sea at the moment, so will only be a little late by MOD procurement standards.
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Re: Tide Class Tankers (MARS) (RFA)

Postby RetroSicotte » 08 Mar 2018, 09:04

shark bait wrote:Tideforce was suppose to be delivered in December, shes at sea at the moment, so will only be a little late by MOD procurement standards.


They're here, they're out at sea, they're in home waters, there's no major operation requiring them.

It's a good position to be in to ease back and just do it at the pace of best testing. Date of entry at this point is of less importance than knowing they're at the stage they are now.

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Re: Tide Class Tankers (MARS) (RFA)

Postby Smokey » 08 Mar 2018, 09:08

Tidesurge has passed through the Panama Canal.

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Re: Tide Class Tankers (MARS) (RFA)

Postby Smokey » 19 Mar 2018, 08:53

Smokey wrote:Tidesurge has passed through the Panama Canal.


and has now left Antigua.

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Re: Tide Class Tankers (MARS) (RFA)

Postby SKB » 19 Mar 2018, 17:30



^ RFA Tidespring RAS with T23 HMS Montrose

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Re: Tide Class Tankers (MARS) (RFA)

Postby Pymes75 » 27 Mar 2018, 08:17

Tidesurge has arrived off the Falmouth coast ready to be fitted out with her UK kit.

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/ho ... 87/zoom:13

Getting there...

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Re: Tide Class Tankers (MARS) (RFA)

Postby The Armchair Soldier » 28 Mar 2018, 12:32

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Today we welcome RFA TIDESURGE to the UK for the first time, as she arrives in Falmouth ahead of her customisation work, which supports 300 local jobs.

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Re: Tide Class Tankers (MARS) (RFA)

Postby The Armchair Soldier » 02 May 2018, 15:23

RFA TIDESPRING in the midst of it all during Exercise Joint Warrior:
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Re: Tide Class Tankers (MARS) (RFA)

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Re: Tide Class Tankers (MARS) (RFA)

Postby Gabriele » 12 Jun 2018, 17:45

Note most important passage in that news piece (assuming it is accurate):

Measuring just over 200 meters in length and with a top speed of 27 knots, RFA Tidespring is a welcome addition to the fleet.
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Re: Tide Class Tankers (MARS) (RFA)

Postby ArmChairCivvy » 12 Jun 2018, 18:08

Exactly what a "fleet" tanker is all about:
- can keep up
- not @18, not @ 20 ... but close to 28 (you are not doing replenishment during combat ops; but to be able to get to the general area, and "be around" could be a virtue - that has been designed in).

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Re: Tide Class Tankers (MARS) (RFA)

Postby Ron5 » 12 Jun 2018, 19:03

Or go get more and be back pronto.

Not sure why speed is it's most important characteristic tho'. I could think of a few higher up the list.

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Re: Tide Class Tankers (MARS) (RFA)

Postby SKB » 12 Jun 2018, 19:41

....so that a ship at speed and in a hurry, but needing fuel, stays at speed and doesn't need to slow down to a (sea) snails pace for RAS and delay its progress to its destination.

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Re: Tide Class Tankers (MARS) (RFA)

Postby Ron5 » 12 Jun 2018, 21:27

SKB wrote:....so that a ship at speed and in a hurry, but needing fuel, stays at speed and doesn't need to slow down to a (sea) snails pace for RAS and delay its progress to its destination.


CONREP at 27 knots. Sure.

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Re: Tide Class Tankers (MARS) (RFA)

Postby whitelancer » 12 Jun 2018, 22:12

Their are no front lines at sea, so where do you locate your supply ships? IMHO the best place for the RFA ships is with those they are supporting. The threat today does not come from big guns on warships but from the air and underwater so your replenishment ships are in no greater danger with your warships than if they were kept back (wherever back is at sea), and only called forward when required. In addition you would have to provide additional escorts both ASW & AAW. Where are they going to come from? Far better to concentrate your resources. Of course the problem has been that the support shipping has been relatively slow, so if the Tide class is capable of 27 knots they could keep with a Carrier Task Force a very good thing in my opinion.


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