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So Valiant I for the second
Warspite for the third
and Valiant II for the fourth ?

How could there be a RN Renaissance, marking the transition back to a global blue-water navy... without a Nelson?
- Rodney would have an "r" and with it fit better into whole sequence

HMS Nelson is a training establishment and “landship”

oops missed the fact we already had Valiant. If that is the case how about Lion or Renown.

HMS Churchill

The Telegraph suggests HMS Corbyn just to piss him off.

Ron5 wrote:The Telegraph suggests HMS Corbyn just to piss him off.

I think that H.M.S. Conqueror as would be a better suggestion as it would possibly piss off a south American nation.

HMS Conqueror for me.

Dreadnought, Valiant and Warspite were the first Royal Navy SSN’s.

If the naming convention continues, the next boat will be Resolution.

As I have been saying (err, may have been in my previous life, before this forum was started) ever since Osborne slapped the xtra £ 10 bn onto the SSBN (note: no new missiles in the budget or attached contingency figure) prgrm
... that it was not only for the project risk (10% is the 'normal' thing)
But: also for the Chancellor and his Dept not falling foul of their own guidelines, which were about to become mandatory.

Namely that thru-life costs (including disposal) were to be included for all major proposals.

Now it just so happens that NAO (this much later) has assessed £ 7 bn of that to be already 'committed' as in:
"To date, the Department has not yet disposed of any of its 20 retired submarines, with nine of them still containing irradiated fuel. The Department plans to take a further three submarines out of service over the next decade."
- a little nibble of the other 3 bn was already taken out in this year about to close, for overruns with the first in class

NAO has assessed £ 7 bn of that to be already 'committed' as in:
"To date, the Department has not yet disposed of any of its 20 retired submarines, with nine of them still containing irradiated fuel. The Department plans to take a further three submarines out of service over the next decade."
- a little nibble of the other 3 bn was already taken out in this year about to close, for overruns with the first in class

Even if we would not need to touch the contingency again, the £ 7 bn somehow hangs together with the Gvmnt's latest estimate (a year old by now) that manufacturing the 4 Dreadnought submarines is likely to cost a total of £31 billion (including inflation over the lifetime of the programme); the Gvmnt have also set a contingency of £10 billion.

The 38 bn total magically equals the money we have decided to throw away (see below), so it is anybody's guess how much will be left for other defence procurement;


OBR, Table 4.22: Financial settlement components
UK participation in EU annual budgets,
plus Reste à liquider Other,
plus (longer) net liabilities
=Total 38.7 bn
almost all of which was going to (before delays with the 'start') fall due by 2028

It’s HMS King George VI for the final in class

Jake1992 wrote:It’s HMS King George VI for the final in class

Would never have guessed that!

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/defe ... e-is-named

1. HMS Dreadnought
2. HMS Valiant
3. HMS Warspite
4. HMS King George VI

A good name. No doubt approved by King George VI's daughter, Queen Elizabeth II.
"Bertie the Bomber" nickname maybe?

A documentary of King George VI's life:

Terrible name....for a submarine.

It's a capital surface ships name, not a subs.

Perhaps the name has been chosen to make it more difficult to cut production at 3 SSBNs.

Cooper wrote:Terrible name....for a submarine.

It's a capital surface ships name, not a subs.

They've all been Battleship names thus far, KGVI fits that mold. Doesn't seem any more out of place on a SSBN than on a CVF.

Repulse wrote:Perhaps the name has been chosen to make it more difficult to cut production at 3 SSBNs.

...I doubt it will get to 1, if that shit kicker Corbyn & his Marxist goon squad get into power.

I for one is very happy with KG6

Excellent, solid name choice, given submarines are capital ships along with large surface vessels now.

Must be the first 'new' name for a major Royal Navy vessel in a long time.

Perhaps all four vessels should be renamed as KGVI class SSBN.

I’ve long thought the addition of a King George VI to the fleet was long overdue, both as a mark of respect for the monarch who led Britain, the Empire and the nations of the Commonwealth through the darkest days of World War II, and also as a polite and touching gesture to his daughter, Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II.
However, I must admit to a slight unease about associating the name of member of the Royal Family with such a political hot potato as the new nuclear deterrent fleet, especially after hearing of the hostile reception that met the Duke of Cambridge as he entered Westminster Abbey for the service to mark half a century of Operation Relentless. Had the HMS King George VI name been associated with something somewhat less controversial, such as an aircraft carrier, destroyer, or even an attack submarine I think I would have felt more comfortable with the idea.
Still it is a name who’s appearance on a Royal Navy vessel is long overdue and I am delighted it is finally going to take it’s rightful place on the navy lists.

Agincourt was quiet controversial too - but I love it me !

Crécy and Waterloo for the eighth and ninth Astute Class then. I must admit I would have preferred Retribution for the fourth SSBN though.