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Which Anti-Ship Missile Should be Selected for the Type 26?

Lockheed Martin LRASM
154
53%
Kongsberg NSM
64
22%
Boeing Harpoon Next Gen
43
15%
MBDA Exocet Blk III
19
7%
None (stick to guided ammo and FASGW from Helicopters)
8
3%
 
Total votes: 288

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby serge750 » 29 Dec 2020, 19:07

Yeh i think your spot on :thumbup: looking at the finished CGI of the hull, maybe from below the Exhaust section to somewhere below & behind the bridge? with a few decks still to go on top,

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby Scimitar54 » 29 Dec 2020, 20:43

Stern Section! Unless the “shed” is so small, that the hull has to be built in 3 x sections to be joined together outside. The earlier photographs of the hull taking shape inside the “shed” do not suggest that this is so.
The upward slope referred to with regard to the section outside may simply be one side of the “pitched” weatherproof covering! :mrgreen:

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby jonas » 21 Jan 2021, 13:14

Parliamentary written questions 21st Jan :-

https://questions-statements.parliament ... -18/138885

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby Ron5 » 21 Jan 2021, 14:11

jonas wrote:Parliamentary written questions 21st Jan :-

https://questions-statements.parliament ... -18/138885


Stupid effing question. I think he meant what's the cheapest rate to build them. But that would only attract a smart ass answer just like the one he did get.

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby ArmChairCivvy » 21 Jan 2021, 14:36

For years the relative drum beat, between the classes once they both get going after the first in class, has been indicated as 1 for every 1.5
- now that could (seem to) 1 for every two

Is that a real change? Must flip the coin for the answer

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby Repulse » 25 Jan 2021, 19:31

https://www.navylookout.com/royal-navy- ... formation/

Speaking about the Type 26 frigate and its large flexible mission bay capable of holding up to 14 shipping containers of equipment, he said that: “we have had the confidence to wait and see how we best use that space”. There are many options, which could include; “Directed-energy weapons, a railgun, mobile 3D printing factories, it might be ‘MCM in a box’, it could be a full office suite for an embassy, it could be medical facilities or a suite of surface or underwater drones to enhance a single ship’s reach. That is what the RN of the future is starting to look like”.


A railgun?! wasn’t expecting that in a T26 mission bay!
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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby Lord Jim » 25 Jan 2021, 19:59

They will be digging out Lord Nelson's play book on how to effectively fire a broadside at the enemy! :D

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby SKB » 25 Jan 2021, 20:41

Not impressed. Wait until Death Star primary laser on T4X. :mrgreen:

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby NickC » 26 Jan 2021, 15:41

Repulse wrote:https://www.navylookout.com/royal-navy-innovation-and-transformation/

Speaking about the Type 26 frigate and its large flexible mission bay capable of holding up to 14 shipping containers of equipment, he said that: “we have had the confidence to wait and see how we best use that space”. There are many options, which could include; “Directed-energy weapons, a railgun, mobile 3D printing factories, it might be ‘MCM in a box’, it could be a full office suite for an embassy, it could be medical facilities or a suite of surface or underwater drones to enhance a single ship’s reach. That is what the RN of the future is starting to look like”.


A railgun?! wasn’t expecting that in a T26 mission bay!

A few thoughts

The USN Electro-Magnetic Rail Gun (EMRG) appears to have gone the way of the dodo
"The Navy’s FY2021 budget submission requests $9.5 million in FY2021 for continued development of EMRG, but does not appear to program any additional development funding for EMRG in FY2022-FY2025"

DEW, lasers, large funding for development in US but still open question if viable weapon system will result, will need to install the underdeck necessary laser hardware for delivering high pulsed energy and power which expect require substantial volume, so reducing the size of the mission bay permantly.

Mobile 3D printing factory, purpose making a few spares?

MCM, why not use a more accomplished/effective dedicated minehunter eg as the new Belgium/Dutch ships

The less said the better on use of a premier RN WARSHIP as an office suite for an embassy or medical facilities, in current climate buy a much more capable cruise ship for those missions, going cheap at the moment :)

Lastly use of mission bay as magazine for underwater drones etc makes sense eg heavy weight torpedo's, downside as don't think mission bay armoured, if hit by ASCM could result in big explosion.

The original T26 driver of the large mission bay was for amphib operations, RHIB's, troops and stores, as was the large landing deck sized for the Chinook.

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby bobp » 26 Jan 2021, 16:40

More of the T26 build


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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby jimthelad » 26 Jan 2021, 22:51

There's Bob

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby Defiance » 27 Jan 2021, 11:32

NickC wrote:MCM, why not use a more accomplished/effective dedicated minehunter eg as the new Belgium/Dutch ships


Sometimes you might be conducting ops where there's a risk of mines and the minehunter can't get there or operate there for whatever reason. Sure you can forward position some of them but that doesn't provide absolute global coverage, nor do I imagine a MCM vessel is able keep up with a CVBG trying to transit at speed, at least not for very long.

Like down south when they needed to ascertain if Falkland Sound was mined or not and all they could do is run HMS Alacrity back and forth and see if she hit one.

IMO a RoRo MCM payload could be quite valuable on on T26.

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby SKB » 27 Jan 2021, 13:02

Why aren't these ships called the "Glasgow Class" ? A previous "City Class" of Type 42 destroyers all had British city names, yet they were all known collectively as the "Sheffield Class" after the first in class.

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby Scimitar54 » 27 Jan 2021, 14:52

Not wanting to give a prehistoric fish person ideas above her station?

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby jimthelad » 27 Jan 2021, 19:55

Scimitar54 wrote:Not wanting to give a prehistoric fish person ideas above her station?



Surely you don't mean Dear Leader, Die UberSturmbahnFuhrer, or the Hooer o' Holyrood?

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby ArmChairCivvy » 27 Jan 2021, 20:01

jimthelad wrote:UberSturmbahnFuhrer

Sounds like the Germans are burrowing a parallel tunnel, for an invasion
... when they could buy the one already built, on the cheap, And save us some tax monies :)

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby Scimitar54 » 27 Jan 2021, 22:30

What with, the Barnett Formula?

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby donald_of_tokyo » 04 Feb 2021, 01:22

Not City-class but Canadian T26.

Impressive CG image.
- Looks spacy and not so much top heavy.
- ExLS can be spotted next to the funnel. Compact it is. We can imagine how it can be installed on RN City class.
- 24-cell Mk.41 VLS (for SM2 (6?) and ESSM) and 6-cell ExLS (for 24 CAMM).
- Looks like carrying 8 NSM.

- Boat alcove shutter/door between the mission-bay door and flight deck looks very small?
- AS torpedo tube door is shown between the Boat alcove shutter/door(?) and the flight deck.

Image

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby donald_of_tokyo » 04 Feb 2021, 13:06

donald_of_tokyo wrote:- 24-cell Mk.41 VLS (for SM2 (6?) and ESSM) and 6-cell ExLS (for 24 CAMM).
Reduced from original 32? As the SSM is NSM (not Harpoon), the CG might be not so old.

If so, RN T26 City class is even better armed than Canadian CSC? (while Canadian radar suits SPY7 AESA are much better than in RN T26, ARTISAN).

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby calculus » 04 Feb 2021, 15:02

No, that's an old image. The RCN published the "official" specs a few months ago, and there are 32 Mk 41 VLS cells, all strike length.

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... -frigates/

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby NickC » 04 Feb 2021, 16:07

Assuming the lower flat panel array on CSC deck house is the MDA Solid State AESA Target Illuminator (the larger array SPY-7 AESA S-band radar), thoughts why target illuminator fitted as guessing CSC AA missiles all come with active homing heads, Sea Ceptor, ESSM Blk 2 and SM-2 IIIC ?

Ultra awarded contract Feburay 3 to commence work on an all Canadian Towed Low Frequency Active Sonar (TLFAS) variable depth sonar (VDS) for the CSC programme. TLFAS is optimised for detection and tracking of stealthy submarines in challenging ocean environments "a step-change in Canada’s anti-submarine warfare assets and will provide a level of sonar capability never before enjoyed by the Royal Canadian Navy." The Ultra LFAS sold to Royal Netherlands Navy using Dutch software, RNN were very complimentary following trials.

https://www.ultra.group/media-centre/ne ... pth-sonar/

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby tomuk » 05 Feb 2021, 06:28

NickC wrote:Assuming the lower flat panel array on CSC deck house is the MDA Solid State AESA Target Illuminator (the larger array SPY-7 AESA S-band radar), thoughts why target illuminator fitted as guessing CSC AA missiles all come with active homing heads, Sea Ceptor, ESSM Blk 2 and SM-2 IIIC ?


Possible answers
1) they want to use up stocks of older ESSM and SM2
2) ESSM and SM2 need illumination until nearer the target ie no data link like Sea Ceptor
3) used as generic x band radar for gun laying and close in target acquisition
4) make work exercise for MDA

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby NickC » 05 Feb 2021, 11:30

tomuk wrote:
NickC wrote:Assuming the lower flat panel array on CSC deck house is the MDA Solid State AESA Target Illuminator (the larger array SPY-7 AESA S-band radar), thoughts why target illuminator fitted as guessing CSC AA missiles all come with active homing heads, Sea Ceptor, ESSM Blk 2 and SM-2 IIIC ?


Possible answers
1) they want to use up stocks of older ESSM and SM2
2) ESSM and SM2 need illumination until nearer the target ie no data link like Sea Ceptor
3) used as generic x band radar for gun laying and close in target acquisition
4) make work exercise for MDA


Thx, a few thoughts if using MDA Solid State AESA Target Illuminator as generic X-band for the CSC why not fit it it above the SPY-7 on deck house for best surface range, had assumed older semi-active ESSM and SM-2 would have reached EOL by time CSC operational, otherwise possibility of this :crazy:


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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby bobp » 12 Feb 2021, 15:42

Not a lot happening on the T26 at the moment. Bob must be on Holiday 8-)


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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby Jdam » 25 Feb 2021, 09:41



The ass of HMS Glasgow sicking out the shed in Glasgow 8-)


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