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NickC wrote:If remember N-a-B who posts on SavetheRN and life time experience in industry think mentioned figure less than 10% saving after first three ships and thereafter not much movement.

IIRC NaB said approx 10% per build for the first 3 builds was "normal".

The formula clearly doesn’t work so well for submarines.

It's also totally irrelevant, whether its 0%, 10%, 30% or 50%, the result will still be 25% higher for an ASW specialist escort.

SW1 wrote:The formula clearly doesn’t work so well for submarines.

Nothing to do with submarines. It doesn't work with the UK Treasury's imposed constant "drumbeat" which ensures each ship in a class costs the same to build (plus inflation). So it won't work with UK T26 either. It's financial dumbassery imposed by the dumbassest financial department in the western world.

Australian shipbuilder pushes back against reports of frigate design concerns

The builder of the Royal Australian Navy’s new Hunter-class frigates has told Defense News that the ship’s design remains “within agreed weight and space envelopes,” despite a recent report in Australian media claiming recent changes have caused concern. ASC Shipbuilding was responding to a June 26 story in the Australian Financial Review that said growth in the ship design’s weight and length is “sparking concerns.” But ASC Shipbuilding Managing Director Craig Lockhart said Thursday the company remained confident in its ability to meet Australia’s capability requirements and specifications. "ASC Shipbuilding is going through the normal naval design process for the Hunter-class frigate and is working collaboratively with the [Australian Defence Department’s] Capability Acquisition and Sustainment Group and the Royal Australian Navy to design a ship that meets Australia’s capability and performance requirements,” Lockhart said.

“Contrary to the suggestion made in the article, Hunter is not being redesigned, but instead our team is right in the middle of a normal naval ship design process for Hunter,” he added. “Importantly, the design activities being undertaken remain within the agreed weight and space envelopes for Hunter, and we remain confident in our ability to meet the capability requirements and specifications for the commonwealth on time and on budget.”

https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2020/ ... -concerns/

I'm slightly surprised the T26 design can take the growth to ~10,000t for Hunter, the same as Burke Flight IIA destroyer with its 96 VLS cells, with no problems, BAE quote T26 as 6,900t and as mentioned before BAE do not state whether their figure is light, standard or full load displacement.

My assumption BAE/MoD/RN by deliberatly not stating type of displacement in the past (and now too embarresed to reveal true figure) appear to have intentionally tried to hoodwink the Treasury on size/cost of ship but it only resulted in the procurement cut from thirteen to possible eight and five T31s.

NickC wrote:I'm slightly surprised the T26 design can take the growth to ~10,000t for Hunter, the same as Burke Flight IIA destroyer with its 96 VLS cells, with no problems, BAE quote T26 as 6,900t and as mentioned before BAE do not state whether their figure is light, standard or full load displacement.

My assumption BAE/MoD/RN by deliberatly not stating type of displacement in the past (and now too embarresed to reveal true figure) appear to have intentionally tried to hoodwink the Treasury on size/cost of ship but it only resulted in the procurement cut from thirteen to possible eight and five T31s.

It was the cost of the T26 program that reduced their number to 8, not their displacement. Pretty sure the entire world and their dog are clear on that point.

Well take out the Mission Bay have I guess you could install a shed load more MK41s etc.

Parliamentary wriiten answers 14th July :-

Asked by Mr Kevan Jones
(North Durham)
Asked on: 07 July 2020
Ministry of Defence
Type 26 Frigates: Procurement
70339
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, pursuant to the Answer of 6 July 2020 to Question 65949 on Type 26 Frigates: Procurement, for what reason the decision on the second tranche of funding for the Type 26 Frigate has been delayed.
A
Answered by: Jeremy Quin
Answered on: 14 July 2020

There is no delay; on current plans the separate approval and contract for the Type 26 Batch 2 Frigates is expected to be awarded in the early 2020s.

So between now and 2025!

The contract for the second batch is expected to be awarded in 2022. However, given how difficult and protracted the contract negotiations with BAE were for the first batch, MOD is not being specific at this stage.

Aethulwulf wrote:The contract for the second batch is expected to be awarded in 2022. However, given how difficult and protracted the contract negotiations with BAE were for the first batch, MOD is not being specific at this stage.

Maybe now that the cnut Osborne is not there it will be a lot quicker.

I see red blocks... *flashback*

More contracts and a fresh image here...

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/more-ty ... s-awarded/

Most excellent and welcome news.

That shy but graceful creature, the lone Type 26 builder bird has been at last seen in its natural habitat busily scurrying to safety in this latest shot from Bae. His nest is a wondrous web of steel and plastic designed to attract the female of the species that alas will never come ....

He appears to be showing off a bright yellow head crest, the summer mating season plumage.

A second male can also be seen in the photo, who may be trying to encroach into the first male's territory.

No doubt the dominant male will have issued out the haunting warning cry of the species, "Imm-gonna-'ave-a-faaag".

The Israeli Plasan company officially announced the start of the T26 armour production, Plasan was awarded contract for T26 armour in February 2018. Assuming used in protecting magazines and CIC?

https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.p ... igate.html

NickC wrote:CIC

Not hardly.

T26 is getting this ..

https://youtu.be/u1msIqd0t8w

Ron5 wrote:T26 is getting this ..

https://youtu.be/u1msIqd0t8w

Ron5 wrote:T26 is getting this ..

https://youtu.be/u1msIqd0t8w

Sexy! But what about redundancy? Can it be loaded and operated manually, too?

dmereifield wrote:Sexy! But what about redundancy? Can it be loaded and operated manually, too?

There will be a manual method, but it will be slow. Worth noting that this system is used to recharge the rotary magazine under the gun, so if this fails there will still be a number of ready to use rounds in the carousel.

Timmymagic wrote:

dmereifield wrote:Sexy! But what about redundancy? Can it be loaded and operated manually, too?

There will be a manual method, but it will be slow. Worth noting that this system is used to recharge the rotary magazine under the gun, so if this fails there will still be a number of ready to use rounds in the carousel.

Thanks

dmereifield wrote:

Timmymagic wrote:

dmereifield wrote:Sexy! But what about redundancy? Can it be loaded and operated manually, too?

There will be a manual method, but it will be slow. Worth noting that this system is used to recharge the rotary magazine under the gun, so if this fails there will still be a number of ready to use rounds in the carousel.

Thanks

T26 also gets the two robot system, the movie only showed the one robot model.

“Load, Load, Load” at the double, then!