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Which Anti-Ship Missile Should be Selected for the Type 26?

Lockheed Martin LRASM
137
52%
Kongsberg NSM
61
23%
Boeing Harpoon Next Gen
40
15%
MBDA Exocet Blk III
19
7%
None (stick to guided ammo and FASGW from Helicopters)
8
3%
 
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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby SKB » 24 Oct 2018, 16:52

If only 10%, what gives them the right to sell a BAE ship as a Lockheed Martin one?

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby Halidon » 24 Oct 2018, 16:59

SKB wrote:If only 10%, what gives them the right to sell it as a Lockheed Martin product?

Not sure what you mean here. Lockheed is team lead on the T26 CSC team, they are integrating the platform provided by BAE with sensors/systems from other team members, and the actual construction will be by Irving.

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby Poiuytrewq » 25 Oct 2018, 21:07

SeaRam only on Canada's Type 26. No Phalanx
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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby ArmChairCivvy » 25 Oct 2018, 21:28

Poiuytrewq wrote:SeaRam only on Canada's Type 26. No Phalanx


Anti-boat autocannons, though, to cover the blind sectors of the main gun
- despite the fact that SeaRam has an anti-surface capability

A well balanced package. What do they actually carry as for the autocannons (and ASuW missiles)?

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby RetroSicotte » 26 Oct 2018, 10:57

Model looks like DS30Ms still, although thats likely just due to having them on line for the models.

Missiles in Canada are Harpoon Block 1Cs right now. I imagine they'll stick with Block 2, although the USN selecting NSM may shunt that these days. (See that, RN?)

Anyone got a clear picture of the front silos? Still uncertain how many are on it.

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby Simon82 » 26 Oct 2018, 13:19

RetroSicotte wrote:Anyone got a clear picture of the front silos? Still uncertain how many are on it.


I don’t have a clear picture I’m afraid, but it looks like it’s 4 x 8 cell modules on the model at Euronaval 2018. So, 32 Mk.41 silos in all. Although you’re right, the configuration seems to differ depending in which model/graphic you are viewing.

EDIT: The Mk. 41 silos are quite clearly visible at the 0.47 mark in this video from Naval Recognition. Thank you Xavier and crew.


I’d also like to know whether they’re all the same variant or some mix of 303” strike length, 266” tactical variant and 209” self-defence variant. I have a sneaking suspicion that the foremost Mk.41 module, which is located where the SeaCepter silos are on the Royal Navy variant might be self-defence (ESSM) only.

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby RetroSicotte » 26 Oct 2018, 13:52

Simon82 wrote:I’d also like to know whether they’re all the same variant or some mix of 303” strike length, 266” tactical variant and 209” self-defence variant. I have a sneaking suspicion that the foremost Mk.41 module, which is located where the SeaCepter silos are on the Royal Navy variant might be self-defence (ESSM) only.

Cheers for the spot. I would suspect the same. ESSM quadpacked in the front, then the rest made up of SM-2 and possibly ASROC.

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby matt00773 » 26 Oct 2018, 15:22

Simon82 wrote:I don’t have a clear picture I’m afraid, but it looks like it’s 4 x 8 cell modules on the model at Euronaval 2018. So, 32 Mk.41 silos in all. Although you’re right, the configuration seems to differ depending in which model/graphic you are viewing.

EDIT: The Mk. 41 silos are quite clearly visible at the 0.47 mark in this video from Naval Recognition. Thank you Xavier and crew.

I’d also like to know whether they’re all the same variant or some mix of 303” strike length, 266” tactical variant and 209” self-defence variant. I have a sneaking suspicion that the foremost Mk.41 module, which is located where the SeaCepter silos are on the Royal Navy variant might be self-defence (ESSM) only.
The 32 Mk41 configuration seems to be an 8 cell module in front of the 24 as per UK configuration and not the 32 setup as the Australians have. Everyone so far has a different configuration which I guess is not a bad thing as it shows flexibility.

And hull completion by the end of 2020 and possible launch early 2021. Seems to be a very long time to outfit and test prior to commissioning in 2025. The aircraft carrier was outfitted and tested quicker than that.

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby Simon82 » 26 Oct 2018, 16:51

matt00773 wrote:And hull completion by the end of 2020 and possible launch early 2021. Seems to be a very long time to outfit and test prior to commissioning in 2025. The aircraft carrier was outfitted and tested quicker than that.

I’d honestly be surprised if the Type 31e beats the Type 26 into service now as I believe it is supposed to. If it does it’ll only be through further artificial delays of HMS Glasgow.

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby Lord Jim » 26 Oct 2018, 19:49

According to DE&S the timescale for both the T-26 and T-31e are unchanged regarding to entry into service of the first of class.

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby ArmChairCivvy » 26 Oct 2018, 22:33

Lord Jim wrote:entry into service of the first of class.

'27 for the T-26
but isn't it '23 in the water for T-31; have not seen an in-service date?

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby inch » 28 Oct 2018, 14:29

Does anybody know which countries might seriously consider t26 derivative in future or is that it in reality for t26 sales or got their own programs or just 2 expensive ? As Ive said before be great NZ Brazil etc but in reality I think that's it for foreign future sales ,but it's not done bad I guess anyway

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby Ron5 » 28 Oct 2018, 14:48

ArmChairCivvy wrote:
Lord Jim wrote:entry into service of the first of class.

'27 for the T-26
but isn't it '23 in the water for T-31; have not seen an in-service date?


I thought 2023 was in service.

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby Ron5 » 28 Oct 2018, 14:50

inch wrote:Does anybody know which countries might seriously consider t26 derivative in future or is that it in reality for t26 sales or got their own programs or just 2 expensive ? As Ive said before be great NZ Brazil etc but in reality I think that's it for foreign future sales ,but it's not done bad I guess anyway


I think that's it. Plenty room left for Type 31 :D

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby Simon82 » 28 Oct 2018, 15:01

Ron5 wrote:I thought 2023 was in service.


Yes it is. In fact on the graphic I saw I’m sure all five Type 31s are supposed to be commissioned Royal Navy warships before HMS Glasgow is finally handed over in 2027 following what sounds like it’ll be a 5 - 6 year sea trial period.

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby inch » 28 Oct 2018, 15:52

Shame ron5 ,yes I think your right fella .and as t31 I personally just don't like the program or entries ,its all a bit small ambition in my book ,think we shouldn't even bother with them spend money on something else hey but who am I

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby PapaGolf » 28 Oct 2018, 16:43

I thought it was being put forward for Germany too.

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby Caribbean » 28 Oct 2018, 16:52

It is, though the fact that it is a British design is being well disguised. I suppose it's rather like us contemplating the possibility of buying German tanks
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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby inch » 28 Oct 2018, 16:53

Yes apparently so papagolf but realistically you got to put its chances against a close German European partner in the Dutch and joint partnership in the jss ship Karel doorman and maybe future build ships and wanting a European winner and seen to be winning over a brexit UK ,it's v doubtful you got to admit no matter how good the t26 is

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby ArmChairCivvy » 28 Oct 2018, 17:02

Caribbean wrote:suppose it's rather like us contemplating the possibility of buying German tanks


Yes, that one well camouflaged, too. Just the turret and the gun, so 'most' of it stays British :) .

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby xav » 29 Oct 2018, 14:37

Likelihood of RN (and RAN and RCN) getting this (Vulcano) for their Type 26 ? They were the "launch customer" for that automated handling system after all ...

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby bobp » 29 Oct 2018, 17:05

xav wrote:Likelihood of RN (and RAN and RCN) getting this (Vulcano) for their Type 26 ? They were the "launch customer" for that automated handling system after all ...



Hope they can afford some, money is a problem.

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby shark bait » 30 Oct 2018, 08:30

BAE Vulcano? How did BAE get their mitts on that?
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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby Gabriele » 30 Oct 2018, 09:38

In the same way they got their hands on the Iveco SuperAV for the USMC 8x8 requirement. BAE needed a good product, ready now, and Italy needed a big partner with real US clout.
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