I forgot you have good weather. Canada it is.Tempest414 wrote:but the wine is better and cheaper and for most part so is the weather
Not the end of the world. Just fed up with defence been a joke in the UK. France seems to take it seriously.shark bait wrote:Its not that bad is it?
And Kronenbourg isn't bad either.Tempest414 wrote:I will get a room ready for you then. It really is not that bad over here it has many of the same problems as the UK but the wine is better and cheaper and for most part so is the weatherbenny14 wrote:If we cut the Type 26 order to 6, I am moving to France.
I agree that with ASW kit ( towed sonar and other things ) it will cost more than GP Type 31, but: a) you have to buy that for Type 26 too, b) IH has torpedo launchers, while Type 26 has not ( some here might disparage them, but I would certainly rather have them than not ), c) both designs can have Mk41 with ASROC, d) I admit that Type 26 is better constructed for silence, but 6 is 6 and 12 is 12.donald_of_tokyo wrote:Anyway, IH-based ship, if it is 1/3 of cost of T26, there will be no ASW kits onboard. I mean, T31e with 250M GBP cost "cannot" have any ASW kits (may be other than small hull mounted sonar).abc123 wrote:Better to have 18 IH-based ships with ASW capabilities added than 6 Type 26. At least IMHO. That's way more work for Clyde. But, when I Said cancel, I meant before they were started, not now.
If you add ASW, the best will be 1/2 of T26 and I bet even more.
I agree, if the RN has no enough sailors allready and has no realistic hope to solve that in future- then reduction to six Type 26 actually makes sense.Simon82 wrote:“Quantity has a quality of its own” has merit only if you have sufficient trained sailors to man your fleet of Iver Huitfeldt derived frigates. Hence the hugely expensive automation present on modern Royal Navy warships, as exemplified by the automated Mk 45 magazine on the Type 26 or the weapon handling systems on the Queen Elizabeth Class.
If we are going down the manpower route. 8/9 Type 26s, cut the Type 31. Give up on the Gulf fantasy deployment.abc123 wrote:I agree, if the RN has no enough sailors allready and has no realistic hope to solve that in future- then reduction to six Type 26 actually makes sense.
Being British and a ale drinker I don't really careabc123 wrote:But seriously, what would you French do without Germans? You wouldn't have any decent beer there..
Seems to have been just speculation - although it appears the whole industry was fooled by it. We did get the statement from the minister that it would be by the end of the month though - that leaves just next week.inch wrote:Looks like sea5000 anouncement not today then
Sorry man, I thought that you are French.Tempest414 wrote:Being British and a ale drinker I don't really careabc123 wrote:But seriously, what would you French do without Germans? You wouldn't have any decent beer there..
Yes, but who will fulfill the non-glamourous tasks?benny14 wrote:If we are going down the manpower route. 8/9 Type 26s, cut the Type 31. Give up on the Gulf fantasy deployment.abc123 wrote:I agree, if the RN has no enough sailors allready and has no realistic hope to solve that in future- then reduction to six Type 26 actually makes sense.
The Frog & Rosbif does a decent pint of real ale.Tempest414 wrote:Being British and a ale drinker I don't really careabc123 wrote:But seriously, what would you French do without Germans? You wouldn't have any decent beer there..
inch wrote:wonder if there was a last min rethink of the choice on the decision of which frigate that's why the no show announcement ,another case of take everybody up the hill and let them down again ..that's politicians for you whichever side of the world you are
Indeed. I also tracked down that forum and it's mostly reposted content from other forums such as this. The person who made the claim that the FREMM had "found her husband" seems to make about 10-15 posts a day espousing all sorts of nonsense - mostly political and historical stuff. I checked back on some of his/her posts and at the end of May made a statement that the decision had been made and was about to to be announced. And here we are...seaspear wrote:I read that Italian forum post ( than you google translate ) it seemed again to be speculation will see of course monday
Defence Industry Minister, Christopher Pyne, won't be drawn on whether a role for Austal is being considered, but hinted a final decision on the Frigates project could still be a few weeks away.
"The Government has said that we will make an announcement about the successful tenderer in mid this year which is June and July," Mr Pyne said.
"We will definitely do that."
matt00773 wrote:A new update on the SEA 5000 decision - "$35 billion warship announcement delayed as Cabinet grapples with final project details"
For the first time mid-year rather than by end of Q2 is been given as the time for the decision. Seems there's lots of politics going on around Austal ship yards in WA being involved in the build. Also a possible tie-up with free trade deal with UK-Aus and Bushmaster export if BAE T26 wins.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-24/n ... ed/9902708
Defence Industry Minister, Christopher Pyne, won't be drawn on whether a role for Austal is being considered, but hinted a final decision on the Frigates project could still be a few weeks away.
"The Government has said that we will make an announcement about the successful tenderer in mid this year which is June and July," Mr Pyne said.
"We will definitely do that."
