Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

[Jdam]

If this comes to pass the UK could be the smallest operator of the type 26

[R686]

If this comes to pass the UK could be the smallest operator of the type 26

While more is better you are still getting the eight ASW type 26 variant as per the original order. The glass is half full not empty

[Jdam]

Not a complaint just feels strange

[RetroSicotte]

Nothing strange about it. Should have been 13, remember.

[SKB]

If BAE were still nationalised, then maybe we'd be getting 13. Or more.

[Caribbean]

If this comes to pass the UK could be the smallest operator of the type 26

I know it's an odd feeling, as we haven't exported much for so long, but any export success should be operated in larger numbers by others - this is A GOOD THING .

While more is better you are still getting the eight ASW type 26 variant as per the original order. The glass is half full not empty

Agreed - it makes it much more likely that the planned 8 will be built, not cut to 6, as many fear. If Canada also selects the T26, then maybe, just maybe, we will get a third batch of three, rather than two. Likewise, I hope that the T31 is an export success, as there is a greater likelihood of T31 export hulls being built in the UK. Maybe the rumoured increase in the order from 5 to 6 hulls will also come about.

[Opinion3]

9 & 6 ? Add the fighty fleet Poiuytrewq proposes and I think I'd move my complaints on to a different service

[abc123]

then maybe, just maybe, we will get a third batch of three, rather than two. Likewise, I hope that the T31 is an export success, as there is a greater likelihood of T31 export hulls being built in the UK. Maybe the rumoured increase in the order from 5 to 6 hulls will also come about.

But why would they do that? If 8 and 5 are enough? When did you hear from HMG that 8 Type 28 aren't enough? Same thing with Type 31. When did you hear from them that defence has the priority over HNS or international aid? That 2% isn't enough?

[Caribbean]

But why would they do that? If 8 and 5 are enough? When did you hear from HMG that 8 Type 28 aren't enough? Same thing with Type 31. When did you hear from them that defence has the priority over HNS or international aid? That 2% isn't enough?

The Government has never said that 8 and 5 are enough - only "here is £xb to replace the T23s".

What they have said is:
a) they would like to increase the number of frigates by some time in the 2030s and;
b) they have left the size of the order for the second batch of T26 "up to a future Government".

[abc123]

But why would they do that? If 8 and 5 are enough? When did you hear from HMG that 8 Type 28 aren't enough? Same thing with Type 31. When did you hear from them that defence has the priority over HNS or international aid? That 2% isn't enough?

The Government has never said that 8 and 5 are enough - only "here is £xb to replace the T23s".

What they have said is:
a) they would like to increase the number of frigates by some time in the 2030s and;
b) they have left the size of the order for the second batch of T26 "up to a future Government".

a) in the 2030s means the same thing like promising space destroyers for Mars Squadron

b) if the HMG wanted to have more ships, she would have provided more money, now, not in 20 years

[Caribbean]

a) in the 2030s means the same thing like promising space destroyers for Mars Squadron

b) if the HMG wanted to have more ships, she would have provided more money, now, not in 20 years

Oh dear! Back in pointless mode are you?

[abc123]

a) in the 2030s means the same thing like promising space destroyers for Mars Squadron

b) if the HMG wanted to have more ships, she would have provided more money, now, not in 20 years

Oh dear! Back in pointless mode are you?

Nope. Just-stating-the-obvious mode, as usually...

[Ron5]

If BAE were still nationalised, then maybe we'd be getting 13. Or more.

Ha, ha, ha, ha. Very good.

[abc123]

If BAE were still nationalised, then maybe we'd be getting 13. Or more.

Ha, ha, ha, ha. Very good.

I'm against state-owned industry as a rule, but if the French can have nationalised DCNS ( and getting FREMMs and Belhorra under normal prices and normally armed ) and still have DCNS being a bit profitable, don't see why it's so impossible for the UK. It hardly can be any worse for the UK than the current state of affairs.

[Halidon]

If BAE were still nationalised, then maybe we'd be getting 13. Or more.

Sure. Could also probably afford a couple more by not burning a few £Billion on Brexit. But these are the times.

[matt00773]

BAE Systems and Lockheed Martin have already submitted their Type 26 final 'cured' bid for the Candadian CSC frigate program. The other two bidders have until tomorow to submit theirs - "Design, systems bids for national shipbuilding strategy due Friday".

http://thechronicleherald.ca/novascotia ... due-friday

[inch]

all to play for by each bidder by the sounds of it ,it really could be anybodys , im not counting t26 as favourite by any means and the Australia win brilliant as it is probably has no sway on the Canada decision at all frankly but as lots on here im hoping t26 gets the win

[RetroSicotte]

You can bet the competitors will be reducing their profit margins on this one. They lost one, they'll be pushing hard.

[ArmChairCivvy]

You can bet the competitors will be reducing their profit margins on this one

Exc. for Saab... who seem to have a foot in two camps

[Poiuytrewq]

How likely is it that Canada will actually order 15 hulls?

[SKB]

Very likely if the ice in the Arctic Ocean continues to melt and Canada wants a profitable shipping lane route from the Atlantic to Pacific up there. And the neighbours are Russians who seem interesting in claiming and exploiting the north pole itself.

[Tempest414]

I would say they need 16 to 18 good ASW frigates and 4 to 6 SSN's

[NickC]

BAE Systems and Lockheed Martin have already submitted their Type 26 final 'cured' bid for the Candadian CSC frigate program. The other two bidders have until tomorow to submit theirs - "Design, systems bids for national shipbuilding strategy due Friday".

http://thechronicleherald.ca/novascotia ... due-friday

The Type 26 competitors are the -

Alion Canada - bid that includes Damen’s Dutch De Zeven Provinciën class LCF frigate design and an Atlas Electronic combat systems kit and that now comes with the major drawback of the very bad PR from ANCS’s big debut in the F125 Baden-Wurttemberg which bears the undesirable distinction of being the first ship the German Navy has ever refused to commission after its failed sea trials last January mainly due to system integration and software issues.

(The Atlas Naval Combat system (a Thyssenkrupp company), ANCS is a new multi-role command and control system of the ship’s weapons and sensors, to tie radar, sonar, and other sensor data plus weapons fire control systems with information from the ship’s helicopter and drones fitted with cutting-edge software allowing high operability with a skeleton crew. to allow operation of the ship and its weapons from joystick-equipped stations. Atlas marketed the ANCS as “The system for frigates and corvettes of the new generation”)

Not much is known about Navantia/SAAB bid, design based on the F-105 AAW frigate used by the Spanish navy, presumably based on an updated modified ASW centric design for Australian SEA5000, minimal information released, but it did lose the contract to the Type 26.

Assuming Type 26 should still be favourite as from inception ASW quiet hull and propulsion system and will be using the standard Canadian Navy CMS, Lockheed Martin's Canada CMS 330.

[Halidon]

ANCS is, assuming they get it sorted, actually pretty compelling. Unfortunately the only way to get past the bad press on it is for F125 to get fixed and that isn't happening swiftly. Can't imagine Canada's government would stick their heads out that far.

At any rate, it's hard to imagine them picking against CMS 330 if the program continues as-is.

[NickC]

Thursday Defence Secretary Gavin Williamson hosted Australian counterpart Ms Marise Payne at the Govan shipyard building the Type 26, and talked of the renaissance in British shipbuilding.

BAE Systems Chief Executive Charles Woodburn said 80+% of the total equipment spend has now be committed, more than £1 billion (£333+M per ship), to the supply chain, and more than 80 companies have secured contracts to supply material for the first three ships. Sixty-four of those companies are based across the United Kingdom, supporting more than 4000 jobs.

PS What was not mentioned was the majority of equipment is foreign sourced e.g. Only yesterday announced that BAE placed the contract for the composite mast and SCOT sponson structures with the Norwegian company Umoe Mandal.