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Which Anti-Ship Missile Should be Selected for the Type 26?

Lockheed Martin LRASM
138
51%
Kongsberg NSM
61
23%
Boeing Harpoon Next Gen
42
16%
MBDA Exocet Blk III
19
7%
None (stick to guided ammo and FASGW from Helicopters)
8
3%
 
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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby abc123 » 10 May 2019, 15:01

Strange that Canadian T26 has no CIWS whatsoever?
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What's her position about heavily armed, well prepared and overmanned armies?
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According to General Tacticus, it's because they favor themselves…

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby Jake1992 » 10 May 2019, 15:09

donald_of_tokyo wrote:
Jake1992 wrote: I could stomach this only if a large number of multi mission sloops ( like the black swan, Venari 95 ) were purchased to fill the gaps, say around 20+ to do mcm, survey, costal ASW and low threat security ( ain’t piracy, wave the flag )
But "more money" is NOT likely to come. AND, if no more money is coming, I'm afraid it is a choice between
- leaving T45/T26 and many other assets under-armed, under-equipped, and in place get 5 T31e
or
- ban T31e and up-arm those assets,

Hoping for both is OK, but I'm afraid "both" is very very very difficult to happen, which means it is equivalent to accepting leaving T45, T26 Wildcat etc as it is = under equipped, for ever.


I’m not asking for both T31 and the other T class upgrades but rather an increase in planed multi mission sloops, IMO a black swan or Venari 95 as discussed on here could be brought for at most £150m per unit. This my require a slight bit extra money but not massive amounts.

To me as the T31 stands it’s flawed for the roles that are intended, a 4,000t under armed pretend frigate is not needed when a 3,000t far cheaper sloop could do the roles.

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby RetroSicotte » 10 May 2019, 15:36

Edging toward theory fleets. Lets all keep it to the news in this one.

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby Jake1992 » 10 May 2019, 15:47

RetroSicotte wrote:Edging toward theory fleets. Lets all keep it to the news in this one.


Agree we’ve gone off topic let’s move it to current fleet thread

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby RichardIC » 15 May 2019, 15:31

Just a line from Penny Mourdant's keynote speech to the Seapower Conference today.

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/ ... rence-2019

What is the point of running on old vessels and delaying new ones and running up massive costs in the process?

The comments that allude to FSS have received a bit of attention.

But is this referring to the Type 26 delivery schedule? It seems the best fit. Will it make any difference?

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby Cooper » 15 May 2019, 15:34

All very well but so long as that tosser, Philip Hammond, is running the treasury, nothing will change when it comes to defence spending, no matter who is defence secretary.

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby Tempest414 » 15 May 2019, 16:52

RichardIC wrote:Just a line from Penny Mourdant's keynote speech to the Seapower Conference today.

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/ ... rence-2019


I for one found this to be hard hitting especially the part about SDSR's falling short

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby Ron5 » 15 May 2019, 16:59

Tempest414 wrote:
RichardIC wrote:Just a line from Penny Mourdant's keynote speech to the Seapower Conference today.

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/ ... rence-2019


I for one found this to be hard hitting especially the part about SDSR's falling short


Talk is cheap. They all sound the same when they take office.

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby Tempest414 » 16 May 2019, 06:45

Bang on but her seat is in the hands of the navy if she fails to improve the RN she could lose her seat

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby SKB » 16 May 2019, 08:44

No. Penny Mourdant is Portsmouth North MP. The naval base is in Portsmouth South.

Penny Mordant's Portsmouth North constituency contains the northern half of Portsea Island and extended suburbs on mainland Hampshire. Portsmouth North: https://mapit.mysociety.org/area/65566.html

Portsmouth South has a Labour MP (Stephen Morgan) and contains the city centre, both cathedrals, the "university" (cough), the naval base, and Fratton Park. Portsmouth South: https://mapit.mysociety.org/area/66014.html

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby Tempest414 » 16 May 2019, 08:57

Still a naval town

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby Jake1992 » 16 May 2019, 13:17



It’s starting to make even more sense for us to move away from the mushrooms and go with ExLS on both the T26 and T31

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby Poiuytrewq » 16 May 2019, 13:24

More pressure to increase the T26 order.

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby dmereifield » 16 May 2019, 13:50

Poiuytrewq wrote:More pressure to increase the T26 order.


Until we replace the PM and Chancellor this pressure will continue to be ignored

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby SKB » 16 May 2019, 14:15

I wonder how many T26's PM Farage would order?! ;)

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby Cooper » 16 May 2019, 14:26

SKB wrote:I wonder how many T26's PM Farage would order?! ;)



As the great man, Clint Eastwood, once said..'A man's got to know his limitations'.

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby Aethulwulf » 16 May 2019, 16:36

From beyond the paywall...

"With the selection of the ExLS launcher in Canada, Jane's understands that the MBDA Common Anti-air Modular Missile (CAMM) is now also specified as the designated close-in defence missile system.

The selection of CAMM would mark a major success for MBDA. The missile is part of a multi-layer defense system, and Canada is also a member of the Evolved SeaSparrow Missile group and investing in development of Block II."

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby Pseudo » 16 May 2019, 17:48

SKB wrote:I wonder how many T26's PM Farage would order?! ;)

None. He'd privatise the assets of the armed forces and force them to lease them back on highly profitable terms to the hedge funds that would end up owning them.

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby ArmChairCivvy » 16 May 2019, 20:05

Pseudo wrote: and force them to lease them back on highly profitable terms to the hedge funds that would end up owning them

and his pal, this Ronald McDonald, would offer a bridging deal... for as long as we like. At Cost, +50% ;)

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby Poiuytrewq » 20 May 2019, 12:37

This might not seem important but securing the future of this facility in the UK is massively significant.

Well done to all involved :clap:


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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby Poiuytrewq » 20 May 2019, 16:39

It would be interesting to know exactly what has been ordered.

Might give an idea as to the size of the 'second batch' of T26's.

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby bobp » 20 May 2019, 16:49

The order is for five motors. Also it would be nice if the Aussies and Canadians ordered some for their ships as well.

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby Jdam » 20 May 2019, 18:50

bobp wrote:The order is for five motors. Also it would be nice if the Aussies and Canadians ordered some for their ships as well.


Good to hear about Rugby factory. Do the Aussies and Canadians have the ability to manufacture these components locally?

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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

Postby Timmymagic » 20 May 2019, 19:05

bobp wrote:The order is for five motors


If its for ships 4-8 it will be for 10 motors (2 per ship).

Jdam wrote:Do the Aussies and Canadians have the ability to manufacture these components locally?


Both Australia and Canada have the capability to make large electric motors. But not near silent large electric motors which is a technology only a couple of nations on earth possess. Besides changing the propulsion arrangements of a ship, even before it is built, is no laughing matter.

One thing not mentioned is that this site, if the released information from BAE is correct, would be likely to make the electric motors to propel the Dreadnought Class as it appears they will be turbo electric...I suspect that may have had as much to do with the Gov's decision as the T26's have.


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