Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

[bobp]

Yes foreign aid must be cut. Not saying we shouldn't help with disasters etc but aid for the sake of it is wrong when people at home are in need.

[abc123]

Aid has got to be the first budget to be cut if cuts required. Like, immediately and without discussions. Perhaps with Cameron done the 0.7% of GDP nonsense can be killed off.

Far too smard decision for the UK politicians... If Corbyn becomes the PM you can expect aid will be 7%, not 0,7%...

[Ron5]

Properly applied foreign aid is contributing to the defence of the country sending it.

Huh? What on earth gives you that idea?

History.

Glad we got that cleared up.

[GibMariner]

Type 26 Frigates:Written question - 41166

Asked by Ian Murray

To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, what assessment he has made of the effect of changes to the timetable for work to commence on building the new Type 26 Frigate on the skills base in the affected shipyards.

Type 26 Frigates:Written question - 41167

Asked by Ian Murray

To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, what assessment he has made of the effect of changes to the timetable for work to commence on building the new Type 26 Frigate on the recruitment and retention of workers in the affected shipyards.

Type 26 Frigates:Written question - 41168

Asked by Ian Murray

To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, what assessment he has made of the effect of changes to the timetable for work to commence on building the new Type 26 Frigate on the recruitment and training of apprentices in the affected shipyards.

Answered by: Mr Philip Dunne

I refer the hon. Member to the oral answer I gave during Defence questions in the House on 27 June 2016 to the hon. Member for Rutherglen and Hamilton West (Margaret Ferrier).
The Government have already invested £1.6 billion in the Type 26 programme. We will only enter into a contract once we are confident of the delivery schedule and the ability of the contractors to meet that schedule on a cost effective basis.

http://www.parliament.uk/business/publi ... -24/41166/
http://www.parliament.uk/business/publi ... -24/41167/
http://www.parliament.uk/business/publi ... -24/41168/

[marktigger]

so basically they are playing chicken with BaE

[Ron5]

With a customer like the MoD, who needs enemies?

[S M H]

With a customers previous sales experience They be better of with purchasing from our enemies. If they don't get this contract for production right!

[FuNsTeR]

quite simply their is no money in the kitty at present to purchase the type 26 we could have a situation where the QEC carrier group consists of type 23 frigates

as for the Scottish situation I can only conclude one out come, they will vote to leave the UK that is why the next PM must divert all monies and support from the Clyde to Portsmouth, lets be honest it was a political motivated decision to close down Portsmouth in favour of Clyde and it is time that decision is reversed

[Ron5]

There was a discussion not long ago, I think on this thread, on the merits of placing a mission bay and/or helicopter hangar under the flight deck. Personally, it's not an idea that rox my sox, but I did catch these photo's in a recent online article about the Russian Project 20386 corvette.

So for your interest:

[Gabriele]

quite simply their is no money in the kitty at present to purchase the type 26 we could have a situation where the QEC carrier group consists of type 23 frigates

Regardless of what happens next with Type 26, we are 110% certain of seeing Type 23 escorting QE class groups for well over a decade, considering the planned In and Out dates.

as for the Scottish situation I can only conclude one out come, they will vote to leave the UK

If the majority of scots are truly so insane to rush after Nicola, i pray them to do so quickly at least, before more money and time is wasted on infrastructure investment in Faslane, Lossiemouth and so on.

I still hope common sense can prevail. But the country cannot be held at ransom forever with neverendum threats. In a sense or in another, this story needs to end.

[bobp]

Things are looking grim now, but hopefully not for long. As for Nicola let them go. Scotland is heavily subsidised by the rest of the UK.

[WhitestElephant]

There was a discussion not long ago, I think on this thread, on the merits of placing a mission bay and/or helicopter hangar under the flight deck. Personally, it's not an idea that rox my sox, but I did catch these photo's in a recent online article about the Russian Project 20386 corvette.

So for your interest:

That is what we should do for the future MHPC. Modify the current River-class design.

[Dahedd]

That Russian design is rather impressive.

What are the pros & cons of having the hanger under the landing platform ?

[marktigger]

cons:-

1.over complication
2.loss of limited space to elevator equipment

[RichardIC]

1.over complication

Scissor lifts - never caused any problems whatsoever on the Invincibles!

Totally off-topic now, sorry.

[marktigger]

1.over complication

Scissor lifts - never caused any problems whatsoever on the Invincibles!

did the lifts work 100% of the time? If the lift is also the landing site and it Fails and you can't land on what do you do if you are an isolated vessel and the helo hasn't the range to make another platform/base do you just ditch a multimillion pound helicopter?

[donald_of_tokyo]

did the lifts work 100% of the time? If the lift is also the landing site and it Fails and you can't land on what do you do if you are an isolated vessel and the helo hasn't the range to make another platform/base do you just ditch a multimillion pound helicopter?

It looks like the landing spot is some what astern of the elevator. I think, with elevator up, it become a "Chinook capable" landing deck, while even with the elevator down, can handle mid-sized helicopter to land.

However, I personally think elevator is not a good choice. It requires more maintenance load than a simple hangar (complex). At least for an OPV, not a good choice. For frigates, maybe good, but just if really needed.

I my self do not think helicopter must be carried below the flight deck. Nowadays, frigate are so large, so a bit higher flight deck is not a big issue. See JSDF Hatsuyuki class DD made on 1980s. The flight deck is 1 deck higher. See also Spruans-class DD of USN. Your T26 is as large as latter, and T31/GPFF will be similar to the former. So, I see no problem for "under-flight- deck mission bay" in both size, i.e. 4000t FL or 8000t FL.

[marktigger]

there is a saying in the military K.I.S.S Keep It Simple Stupid

adding complexity just makes things more likely go wrong a straight forward flight deck and hanger is bot flexible and simple

[GibMariner]

Type 26 Frigates:Written question - 41867

Asked by Mr Nigel Evans

To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, whether his Department is still planning to purchase 13 Type 26 Ships.

Answered by: Mr Philip Dunne

The 2015 Strategic Defence and Security Review (SDSR) endorsed the requirement for eight of the anti-submarine warfare variant of the Type 26 Global Combat Ship to replace the eight Type 23 frigates that currently fulfil this role. The SDSR also concluded that the remainder of the Navy's future frigate requirement would be better met by a new class of lighter, flexible, general purpose frigates.

http://www.parliament.uk/business/publi ... -05/41867/

[Ron5]

Type 26 Frigates:Written question - 41867

Asked by Mr Nigel Evans

To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, whether his Department is still planning to purchase 13 Type 26 Ships.

Answered by: Mr Philip Dunne

The 2015 Strategic Defence and Security Review (SDSR) endorsed the requirement for eight of the anti-submarine warfare variant of the Type 26 Global Combat Ship to replace the eight Type 23 frigates that currently fulfil this role. The SDSR also concluded that the remainder of the Navy's future frigate requirement would be better met by a new class of lighter, flexible, general purpose frigates.

http://www.parliament.uk/business/publi ... -05/41867/

That has to be the dumbest question even the dumb British politicians have ever asked. And why the heck is he asking? He's a conservative in a welsh constituency. No connection to defense that I can see.

[marktigger]

will anything be resolved over the T26 until sturgeon backs down?

[FuNsTeR]

will anything be resolved over the T26 until sturgeon backs down?

she won't back down mark it would be political suicide for her

[jimthelad]

heres hoping.

[cockneyjock1974]

heres hoping.

Amen

[Ron5]

will anything be resolved over the T26 until sturgeon backs down?

she won't back down mark it would be political suicide for her

My guess is that the current(?) meeting between May and Sturgeon will see a T26 order pretty soon as a sign of May's good intent.

The holdup has been Pinocchio George, now that he's history, the biggest obstacle is out of the way.

I got $20 on it. Any takers?