Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

[seaspear]

Previously the issue with using the f105 was it was not having the hull specifically designed for asw silent operations as the T26 and to some degree the Fremm

[marktigger]

I'd suggest the whole plan may have to survive first contact with the Australian Electorate!

[Pseudo]

I imagine that if Australia selects the Type 26 there'll be a lot effort going in to making it more affordable. I'd think that the ultimate outcome of that effort would be the UK ordering five GP variants as or instead of the proposed Type 31.

[The Armchair Soldier]

A tweet from BAE showing the design offered to Australia:

[Ron5]

Tad bigger image.

[marktigger]

yes will be interesting to see how type 26 goes in the export market. would have been nice to see the Canadians build under licence to.

[R686]

This is talking about the country that just announced it was hiking it's defence spending by about a third over the next decade. Being "more realistic" about their needs clearly led someone to think that they needed larger and more capable armed forces.

No not really, we have historically had defence at around 2% of GDP exept for times of national emergency sush as world wars Korea and of course Vietnam. We also have a lot of equipment being replaced that should have gone 10 years ago like the M113AS4 which when finally getting it right was all ready out matched for there intended role.



It mainly just getting us back to the status que after the horror run with left leaning ideology of the Gillard government. Could have been worse least she didn't do anything to drastic such as get rid of our ACF unlike Aunty Helen from the land of the long white cloud.


We also have to see what survives out of the last DWP as a lot whilst was fully funded is of into the never never, now that we look like going to the poll's for a double dissolution election.

[marktigger]

what happens when Labour gets back in?

[R686]

what happens when Labour gets back in?

Banana Republic

[marktigger]

what happens when Labour gets back in?

Banana Republic

do allot of these programs get cancelled?

[R686]

what happens when Labour gets back in?

Banana Republic

do allot of these programs get cancelled?

If you look at various DWP over the last few decades you will see where there is a lot of talk that doesn't match their wallets, this is the first DWP I can rember that was fully funded and showed it which was good, but a lot of the gear was far into the future whereas successive goverment will want to put there own stamp on things. I imagine the intent is there just don't think they will be around long enough to implement it.

As for the next election if Turnball gets up which I think he will, he's got his own extreme left leaning's it just hasn't come out yet as he needed the right to topple Tony Abbott

[Mercator]

What was interesting about the Gillard term though was that they *delayed* projects rather than cancel anything (anything major, at least). They were aware that there was a political price to pay. Broadly speaking, there is robust support for the status quo in defence spending. (Remembering that it has an impact on industry policy too).

Which leads to the next most important point: if anything, Labor in Australia is even more gung ho about national shipbuilding strategy that the conservatives. The conservative side of politics at least retains some scepticism about the value for money proposition, but even there, the South Australian and Western Australian conservative politicians are all in for a full strength shipbuilding programme.

The air force is already recapitalised. The Navy has an enormous shipbuilding programme ahead of it with a momentum all of its own. The only folks who could possibly be shafted in any significant way in terms of funding would be the Australian Army, in my opinion. But even there, there are programs underway that have reasonable momentum. A change of government probably would not derail much of that. At worst, a labor government might delay a few things so that the next conservative government has to scramble for funds. Thank God we have three-year terms.

[GibMariner]

Canadian firms win contracts to support UK Type 26 program

Ottawa-based engineering firm WR Davis is the first Canadian company to secure a manufacturing contract to provide key equipment to the UK's Type 26 Global Combat Ship program.

BAE Systems, the designer and manufacturer of this next generation anti-submarine warfare ship, has awarded the C$12m contract to WR Davis Engineering Ltd for the Uptake and Downtake elements of the ship's funnel and exhaust system for the first three Type 26 ships. These components are key elements of the engine and propulsion system in the new UK Royal Navy ships.

Tom Davis, Vice President of WR Davis Engineering Ltd, said: "We are delighted to participate in the prestigious UK Royal Navy Type 26 Global Combat Ship program for the supply of the complete Downtake, Uptake, and Infra-Red Suppression systems for the propulsion and ship service engines. This builds on our previous experience of supplying similar systems for the UK Royal Navy's Type 45 destroyers and reinforces our position as a world leader in the design and supply of engine Downtakes and Uptakes, for naval warships."

WR Davis is one of seven supply chain partners to have been awarded equipment manufacturing contracts with BAE Systems. The Canadian firm has already started performing system integration and detailed design work on the Type 26 program.

http://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/ca ... 67911.html

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[marktigger]

another opv order in the offing?

[Caribbean]

"Job Cuts risks" Political leverage quote used.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-s ... s-36114069

An interesting quote in that article

"But there is a shift of £750m in the budget, stretching it into more distant, less constrained fiscal years"

Is that the money for the T45 upgrades/ repairs, or is it a cashflow problem for other reasons?

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[Repulse]

another opv order in the offing?

Maybe, but the fact that the delay is relatively small and funds are moving to the right also it could be that a parallel T26 and T31 build is on the cards, which would be not a bad result in my view given the pressures on manpower and ships.

I just hope now that the 2 additional "OPVs" actually become 2 additional T31s.

[marktigger]

My hope is the 5 OPV's replace Clyde in the Falklands, and it joins the batch ones going to Bangladesh or Libya. And the 4 remaining ones are crewed jointly by the Navy, Border Agency and MAFF for home waters only. And the Type 31 is built as a proper general warfare frigate. to fill the hole in the fleet left by the retirement of the T22/III

[marktigger]

I wonder is there another agenda being played out with the delays?

[Jdam]

Could be waiting to see if we can sell it to someone else to lower the costs maybe?

[marktigger]

I'm wondering more along the lines of:

1. Forcing Bae To pay the bill to sort out Type 45

or

2. Forcing Bae to take the hit for any risks or cost over runs in Type 26

or
3. Forcing Bae out of the govan yard getting it either nationalised by Scottish govt or bought out by someone else.

[ArmChairCivvy]

I'm wondering more along the lines of:

1. Forcing Bae To pay the bill to sort out Type 45

or

2. Forcing Bae to take the hit for any risks or cost over runs in Type 26

or
3. Forcing Bae out of the govan yard getting it either nationalised by Scottish govt or bought out by someone else.

The first two likely, but the third???

I think one of the consequences of 1, and of a possibly unsatisfactory outcome for 2, will be the end of build & design contracts (to Bae, or anyone else for that matter, exc. for simple ones, like OPVs)

[marktigger]

won't a type 26 being built need a type 23 to be being stripped of kit to equip it right through the build?

[ArmChairCivvy]

I would think so, I made a similar point a couple of months back. Contributing to the acute problem with "escort" numbers:
1. now, the T23s going through their upgrades (1 by 1)
2. soon, the T45s going into their face lift
3. later, a T23 taken out of water well before the corresponding T26 will sail

Concurrent build would have been an easy option, but the fact that the facilities are sized for, wai it, 1.5 complex builds and the T45s also wanting to push in will mean extra investment, which will stress the cost formulae even further.

The carriers coming along will increase demand, while supply (without significant cost increase) has just become stiffer.