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Re: Merlin helicopters

Postby Jake1992 » 09 Apr 2019, 22:29

Scimitar54 wrote:How long will it be before the Osprey in USMC service acquires an AEWAC?


That depends because they are also looking at other options such as the V-247 vigilance drone which will come in at least 3 version ( AEW, EW and Attack ) this is where I’d be investing in if I was the RN

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Re: Merlin helicopters

Postby Scimitar54 » 10 Apr 2019, 00:06

So far, only the Osprey has folding wings and props :idea:

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Re: Merlin helicopters

Postby Ron5 » 10 Apr 2019, 01:35

Jake1992 wrote:
Scimitar54 wrote:How long will it be before the Osprey in USMC service acquires an AEWAC?


That depends because they are also looking at other options such as the V-247 vigilance drone which will come in at least 3 version ( AEW, EW and Attack ) this is where I’d be investing in if I was the RN


V-247 too small for AEW.

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Re: Merlin helicopters

Postby Ron5 » 10 Apr 2019, 01:37

Scimitar54 wrote:How long will it be before the Osprey in USMC service acquires an AEWAC?


Isn't that what the USN is for?

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Re: Merlin helicopters

Postby ArmChairCivvy » 10 Apr 2019, 07:06

Ron5 wrote:
Scimitar54 wrote:How long will it be before the Osprey in USMC service acquires an AEWAC?


Isn't that what the USN is for?


Quite; and theirs does have folding wings and props

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Re: Merlin helicopters

Postby Jake1992 » 10 Apr 2019, 07:23

Scimitar54 wrote:So far, only the Osprey has folding wings and props :idea:


Not any more the V-247 has aswell now there are videos on YouTube showing it.

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Jake1992 wrote:
Scimitar54 wrote:How long will it be before the Osprey in USMC service acquires an AEWAC?


That depends because they are also looking at other options such as the V-247 vigilance drone which will come in at least 3 version ( AEW, EW and Attack ) this is where I’d be investing in if I was the RN


V-247 too small for AEW.


Not according to the designer and manufacture they state one of the roles for one version is AEW, it is nearly the size of a V-280 so it’s not that small at all

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Re: Merlin helicopters

Postby abc123 » 11 Apr 2019, 18:40

So, 90 mil. euros for 4 AW101 Merlin?

Damn cheap if you ask me...

https://defence-blog.com/news/poland-to ... pters.html


Sorry, that's just the cost of the offset contract, not the actual cost of the deal. Brainfart by me.
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Re: Merlin helicopters

Postby Lord Jim » 12 Apr 2019, 06:16

Please Sir can we have some more?

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Re: Merlin helicopters

Postby abc123 » 12 Apr 2019, 08:24

Lord Jim wrote:Please Sir can we have some more?


Yeep, if that's the cost, I would order another dozen right away.
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Re: Merlin helicopters

Postby xav » 15 Apr 2019, 15:53

First Flight for Royal Navy’s Merlin Crowsnest AEW Helicopter
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The first Leonardo Merlin HM.2 helicopter fitted with the Crowsnest kit conducted its first flight in late March 2019 at the Leonardo Helicopters (formerly AgustaWestland) site of Yeovil. The Crowsnest kit transforms the Merlin HM.2 of the Royal Navy into an Advanced Early Warning (AEW) helicopter.

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... elicopter/

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Re: Merlin helicopters

Postby Lord Jim » 15 Apr 2019, 16:27

Will these be ready for the big far east tour?

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Re: Merlin helicopters

Postby Ron5 » 15 Apr 2019, 18:26

abc123 wrote:So, 90 mil. euros for 4 AW101 Merlin?

Damn cheap if you ask me...

https://defence-blog.com/news/poland-to ... pters.html


Sorry, that's just the cost of the offset contract, not the actual cost of the deal. Brainfart by me.


The article clearly states:

"The cost of the contract for the purchase of four AW101, according to Polish media reports, will be about 90 million euros"

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Re: Merlin helicopters

Postby serge750 » 15 Apr 2019, 19:52

Lord Jim wrote:Will these be ready for the big far east tour?



Well according to the Save the royal navy yes, I really do hope so aswell.

https://www.savetheroyalnavy.org/timeli ... er-strike/

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Re: Merlin helicopters

Postby donald_of_tokyo » 16 Apr 2019, 06:34

Ron5 wrote:
abc123 wrote:So, 90 mil. euros for 4 AW101 Merlin?

Damn cheap if you ask me...

https://defence-blog.com/news/poland-to ... pters.html


Sorry, that's just the cost of the offset contract, not the actual cost of the deal. Brainfart by me.


The article clearly states:

"The cost of the contract for the purchase of four AW101, according to Polish media reports, will be about 90 million euros"
It is SAR AW101, not ASW. But still, 25M GBP per unit looks very cheap. Is it new build ?

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Re: Merlin helicopters

Postby Poiuytrewq » 16 Apr 2019, 08:18

donald_of_tokyo wrote:It is SAR AW101, not ASW. But still, 25M GBP per unit looks very cheap. Is it new build ?
At €90m that's works out around £20m per unit or have I missed something?

Seems like a bargain if correct.

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Re: Merlin helicopters

Postby Tempest414 » 16 Apr 2019, 08:44

Are Poland still looking for up to 50 battle field lift helicopters if so this could be a foot in the door deal

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Re: Merlin helicopters

Postby Aethulwulf » 16 Apr 2019, 09:23

donald_of_tokyo wrote:
Ron5 wrote:
abc123 wrote:So, 90 mil. euros for 4 AW101 Merlin?

Damn cheap if you ask me...

https://defence-blog.com/news/poland-to ... pters.html


Sorry, that's just the cost of the offset contract, not the actual cost of the deal. Brainfart by me.


The article clearly states:

"The cost of the contract for the purchase of four AW101, according to Polish media reports, will be about 90 million euros"
It is SAR AW101, not ASW. But still, 25M GBP per unit looks very cheap. Is it new build ?
Wrong I think. It is ASW.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/poland-to-acquire-aw101-helicopters-for-anti-submari-457305/

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Re: Merlin helicopters

Postby donald_of_tokyo » 16 Apr 2019, 09:57

Thanks. I checked the Polish government officials press release.

https://www.gov.pl/web/obrona-narodowa/ ... podwodnych

[sorry, google translate]
"On Monday, April 8 this year Marek Lapinski, secretary of state in the Defense Ministry signed offset contracts related to the acquisition by the Polish Armed Forces of helicopters for fighting submarines (ZOP) equipped with medical equipment allowing for CSAR search and rescue operations. The next step will be the conclusion of a contract for the supply of helicopters."

It is confusing. If literary read, it means the helo can do BOTH ASW and SAR.

The defence-blog says (https://defence-blog.com/news/poland-to ... pters.html)

"The contract for the purchase of four heavy CSAR helicopters must be signed later in April.

The Polish Navy planned to acquire eight prospective coast-based anti-submarine and search-and-rescue helicopters to replace the 10 ageing Soviet-era Mi-14 helicopters currently in operation in naval aviation (eight Mi-14PLMKs and two search and rescue Mi-14PL / R) 14PL). However, in 2018, for financial reasons, the Ministry of National Defense of Poland reduced the number of naval helicopters planned for acquisition to four, postponing the purchase of another four for an uncertain future."


We shall wait for further info., may be?

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Re: Merlin helicopters

Postby RichardIC » 26 Apr 2019, 11:43

So the all-up price Poland is paying is roughly £320 million (1.65 bn zloty). That 90 million euros figure was clearly nonsense and only related to offsets.

I'd embed the full Tweets from the Polish MoD but they contain characters that aren't supported by this board. You can find them at @MON_GOV_PL

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Minister @mblaszczak in Świdnik: - The contract for the purchase of # AW101 is not everything. At the beginning of April, we signed an offset agreement, which provides for the opening of a licensed Helicopter Maintenance Support Center in Łódź


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