Tempest414 wrote:Lots of talk about what type of F-35 and what for. If we look at the figures for both types it looks like B comes in circa $115 million and A post 2020 circa $80 million with this in mind if we went for 138 Bs it would cost circa 15.9 billion however if we went for 100 B's and 50 A's it would cost 15.5 billion this could be split something like this
FAA 50 jets split into squadrons of 10 jets
800 NAS HMS QE
801 NAS HMS QE
809 NAS HMS POW
892 NAS HMS POW
899 NAS F-35B OCU
RAF 50 F-35B jets split into 3 squadrons of 12 jets
9 Sqn front line
15 Sqn front line
617 Sqn front line
RAF 50 F-35A jets split into 3 Squadrons of 12 jets
19 Sqn front line
20 Sqn F-35 OCU
74 Sqn front line
ArmChairCivvy wrote:Little J wrote:who else has split bought?
Turkey would like some, but will, I bet, get none... of either
The Pentagon has submitted a for & against paper to the Congress, for decision.SW1 wrote:Italian split is 60 f35 A 30 f35 B
Magical mathematics, A+B
2 x 48 + 48 = 144, and as the last ones will come in abt 20 yrs from now, with an attrition reserve that is ... 138
Scimitar54 wrote:Also, do not forget about the Typhoons.
SW1 wrote: do we produce a new design or do we shut it down there is not a budget to do both.
ArmChairCivvy wrote:Scimitar54 wrote:Also, do not forget about the Typhoons.
+ the "fork in the road":SW1 wrote: do we produce a new design or do we shut it down there is not a budget to do both.
... or do something in between. Let me elaborate (and please bear with the "eine kleine Einleitung" about how the Gvmnt strategy used the terms being bandied around):
The Combat Air Strategy uses the term ‘Team Tempest’ – and the companies involved have given some indications of the technologies and techniques they are looking at.
The other term in the Strategy is ‘Pyramid’: the project to develop open mission systems architecture, ie. act, if there is a go-ahead after the initial two-year funding, in the same way as Apple has done in building and upgrading iPhone.
About the team:
BAE Systems: at BAE's exhibiting stand Replica had been hauled out, with a Tiffie landing gear (front only?) bolted on... as it is normally hung at various angles, for its original purpose
Rolls-Royce: the full potential of the Typhoon's engine is still to be developed
MBDA : this is where it gets interesting. The Franco-German fighter project contracts, building on the 'must have' rqrments phase will be let in early 2019... and while Dassault will do the airframe (don't be surprised if it will come out as a cross between Rafale and Replica) part, Germany will do the ' systems' part. Can we see an overlap between the two programmes forming already now?
Leonardo: will work on sensors, electronics, and avionics.
- Coming back to Typhoons, a well-written RUSI paper on it is titles "The Best is Yet to Come". Leonardo says it will “mature the critical technologies to deliver next generation sensing and communications alongside the advanced open-system architectures that will deliver a step-change in how the sensors are employed within an operational system.”
- Typhoon Tr3B (for Germany?) might see baby steps of this Step Change, as they are (timing wise) on the most critical path. And also want to gear up, to avoid playing only a bit part when the actual action will be scaled up in the 30's.
- who says that there won't be a Typhoon Tr4 for the RAF?
... call it Tempest, for a propaganda coup?
In this scenario the F-35 buy would 'stall' somewhere between 48 and low 70s... which quantity would not allow for two versions (to be efficiently supported and squadrons rotated in tasking).
The Armchair Soldier wrote:A video featuring the highly mechanised weapon handling system and a loaded F-35 takeoff.
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