Gabriele wrote:An expensive hollow force without a clear role is not needed. If you really need to save money, at least do that decently. If you kill a capability to save pennies and gain no real personnel / budget headroom to do anything else anyway, you are shafting yourself twice in a row.
Not forgetting connectors. If and when the marinised transport helicopters are withdrawn in 2030, any meaningful vertical lift will be coming from the not-marinised Chinooks (the next batch will have longer range) meaning that MTF will be one indivisible task force and littoral ops can only reach a meaningful scale when also the Dutch are present... which neatly takes us to:Gabriele wrote:actual amphibious lift and capability
yes, ours, but need to add many things to round up to a bde. The other three being Norway's own northern bde, the USMC one with prepositioned equipment and the VeryHighReadiness Nato bde. Moving Multinational Division North East that way would necessarily be slower addition.Tempest414 wrote:High North response brigade
which is the fact why the above list is difficult up in quantity; will have to be in quality (=suitable kit, also in the future).Tempest414 wrote:the high North can only be reached and supported by sea in any real way.
Gabriele wrote:The LSS has nothing particularly magic about it and while it might carry several boats / ORCs it is highly unlikely to have any real ability to land heavy stores and vehicles unless she can use a port or go real close to shore to make do with Mexeflotes.
The sooner this basic reality is understood, the better.
Repulse wrote:The LPDs are our raiding platforms supported by air assets from our CVFs. There is no requirement to launch amphibious operations from the Bays, so unless there is another requirement for them, they get binned.
Gabriele wrote:I frankly couldn't care any less about the Marines not wanting to look like army. If they have a realistic role, ok, otherwise they can disband. The Bay ships can find plenty of other use for HADR, MCM mothership and USV mothership. A forward deployed pre-landing force without a landing force has no realistic purpose.
The humble sloop gets its strength from representing a force much mightier than itself. A lone Bay class with a bunch of guys with RHIBs with nothing else behind it represents only itself, and it really isn't worth it.
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