Your right I'll change my reply over to Spain thread

Ps forgot too add I can't see Spain's alternative tbh

Does anybody think Spain will end up buying f35b for its carrier ? At least Italy can cross deck it's 2 carriers with QE class ,wonder if Cavour f35b will cross deck with QE on QE homeward leg back from deployment now Cavour f35b qualified ?

Ok enigmatically you worked on it so I can't argue I quess ,well the AEW might be get a little bit better for QE if they can get a high flying high endurance UAV like they trying to do ,not sure if will be as good as E-2D but hopefully alot better than Merlin AEW , fingers crossed

I thought QE class had about 16000m2 deck area and C De Gaulle had about 12000m2 and think QE But I could be easily wrong dude

But is NS 100 more capable than artisan so maybe a good choice ,not sure the merits of cms-1 against tacitos ,as for t31 the French seem to giving their navy alot more frigate and money spent / investment in the new Fti than the UK in the a140 ,but after all that I do hope the government does suppor...

Swings and roundabouts in my view fella ,2 Lizzy's better than one c De Gaulle yes newer yes more aircraft load if we had them at a push yes f35 sensor abilities yes but both can cross deck with USA c De Gaulle has longer legs ( nuclear) Rafael longer range than f35b ,more weapon load ,c De Gaulle b...

I know it might have seemed a throwaway remark about scrap army but should it be ? ,The mod can't seem to get things right in army top brass and mod equipment , always a total screw up .plus do we need an army as such ,EU can defend itself as far as I'm concerned ,our comical small contribution not ...

Soz not Finnish typing on phone ,...say to NATO our contribution will be from now on navy ,air force and special forces cyber,space ,and if any money gets saved if gov doesn't nick it spend more on these

Ok another possibility ,scrap the army except homeland defence ,say our contri

Scrap program now ,buy off shelf , no alterations ,a few possibilities out there ,done

I just know I can feel it my bones that the French and Germans want to try rope us into a joint project somehow by any means ,sod off ,but bet down the line a future uk gov especially if more pro euro get in will jump at the chance ,and even this gov I wouldn't put it past them to jump into bed with...

Lizzy and c De Gaulle not that much difference in size tbh if you had them side by side and looking down on them , weight yes

Still would have thought f35 to win in my v humble opinion

Should have been 3 of them made lol

You can see clearly now that POW is 4 MTRS longer can't cha lol

Well especially for the f35b these upgraded engines would be a critical first thing to upgrade , especially for our carrier reach to actually achieve missions and keep carrier out of harm's way ,25% increase would be fantastic

Ambitious not ambiguous

Yes never fails to amaze me how uninspiring and unambiguous the government of the day is ,we could have built a ship Nimitz size of they wanted too but as always it would be a bit unseemly building a ship that large in their eyes lol,like cold war we end up with 3 small thru deck ships but France pl...

Suppose it just means 20+ish aircraft always going to be topside

Looks like 10 about it with lots of wiggle room for movements and maintenance

They should have built qe a bigger ship ,just like garages you think it's big enough then you always fill it up with crap ,and you can't get the car in ,they never going to get 20 helo and f35 in that hangar too much crap in the way lol

Well we are best buddies , sure they be happy to donate say 3 to their pals ,they got loads

I'm guessing it's not the metric to be judged on really Abrams or leo but more what the Russian or Chinese offering going to be ,can it outperform them or the most likely opposition tanks whatever they going to be ? fingers crossed but yes generally things tent to get more advanced than what's aroun...

Could someone answer if publicly known why the MOD thinks the challenger 3 in certain areas could be superior to the Abrams or leopard or is that just spin ? ,I don't know anything about tanks tbh but wouldn't have thought chal3 superior but hopefully yes on par with the latest upgraded Abram's/Leo ...