So, development of CMS integration cost is already /or will be done for ASTER15/30 (T45 but with Sylver), CAMM (T23), TLAM, ASROC and other (will be T26). TLAM and ASROC on Mk41 is OK (USN), but ASTER15/30 on Mk41 is not. (But, RetroSicotte-san was anyway not proposing it). UK PAAMS handles Asters ...

This creates major issues for the Type 45's fitting though. Not really. The T45 can also take more Sylver cells (though not as many as it could Mk41s). It could probably also take quite a lot of CAMM, if needed. BMD capability is arguably more important than Land Attack etc, particularly when Astut...

Lots of articles in the press today regarding the MOD putting bids to build the 3 FSS vessels out to international tender at the end of the month. How is this possible if a design has not been finalised? The winner will get to design and then build it. So the one billion would get a chunk carved ou...

sorry to burst bubble time guys but no chance of a ssk as no budget no manpower and no plans ,that should about cover it I guess .like I said sorry folks :thumbdown: right whats for supper ,head in porridge again I think yey :wave: From the guy that thinks the UK should have bought Canberra's and n...

Should have been a Navy squadron.

shark bait wrote:I think that hits on the main arguments for SSK, it would mostly be for training, with few special missions added on the side where an SSN may not be available.

In other words, not worth it.

No proof there was any UK SSN in the Med.

Most media reports were based on the lie that they'd heard the PM had directly ordered an Astute there.

I'm not as good as Donald-san when it comes to breaking a long post into short soundbites but here goes: I have been making the same point over and over. The MoD has a wish list of extra kit the T-26 needs to do the job it is supposed to. It is looking at all the shiny leaflets and the admirals are ...

Minor point maybe but there have been several reports that a Type 45 was in attendance.

dmereifield wrote:Wasn't it inferred that all warships would be built at home and all auxiliary ships open to international tender?

No. It was very specific on what type of warship. Escorts & carriers in the UK, the rest up for bid by anyone.

Ah so you've changed your tune. One minute it was complete silence, sorry "SILENCE", from the MoD. Now it's "they should have ordered the missiles by NOW" because if they don't, it means they won't be buying any at ALL. And because of this, "they should have bought FREMMs&qu...

If there is a future LHD, it will be built abroad. Probably Korea. The new government policy is that every warship except for frigates, destroyers, submarines & aircraft carriers, will be open for the lowest bidder. Might make you happy. Might not. If that is true then if any SSK's were to be a...

If there is a future LHD, it will be built abroad. Probably Korea.

The new government policy is that every warship except for frigates, destroyers, submarines & aircraft carriers, will be open for the lowest bidder.

Might make you happy. Might not.

Lord Jim wrote:As it stands the T-26 will enter service as a ASW escort that is less capable that the modernised T-23s it is replacing

Rubbish.

We are now told, almost every time a minister etc. talks about the T-26, how it is a world beating ASW vessel. Hang on wasn't it supposed to do more than that, oh they will have twenty four Mk41 VLS installed, great back on track, what's going in those? SILENCE!! Come on, any one surely you have so...

If I was being very negative I could suggest at least some would be still in the Capability phase, where the powers that be are still trying to work out if we still need capabilities like AShM on out surface warships - I am straining all my faculties not to be negative... still failing at times :D ...

Historically many in service platforms have only been brought up to what was supposed to be their initial capability through UORs, the Radar on the Tornado F3 in the GW1 being a good example. Minor point but this would be a poor example. I'm pretty sure the Portland Blue Circle radar originally fit...

My argument is that the T-26 was NOT designed as a specialised ASW vessel, but is being both funded and spun as one. Not sure where you are getting this from. Surely calling the design a "Global Combat Ship" is spinning that it is more capable than just ASW? As for funding, the original T...

But, but, the Rolls Royce that makes gas turbines has zero to do with the R-R subsidiary of BMW that makes cars.

Or is there some brit joke in there that I am missing?

Excellent Donald-san!

Does the crane have to be removed in your examples?

Ron5 wrote: Three statements conjured out of your imagination presented as facts. Really? - T26's VLS is empty now (=I mean, not funded yet), T45's CEC was gapped and has no plan to add BMD capability (=no funds prepared yet), SSM is in danger of cut, no data-link on Wildcat, no RoV to fill any of ...

I have zero problems with guesses whether they are educated or not. Just as long as they are presented as guesses and not stated as facts. The two most recent major warship programs would not be good examples of the theory the T26 will sail with empty magazines. Both the T45's and the Astutes have f...

The current funding does not cover all the nice shiny toys that would make the platform match its potential, it is as simple as that. These toys are all under assessment at present and the results of this phase will require additional funding above and beyond what is currently allocated to purchase...

Looks like a very credible multi mission frigate. I suspect though its competition is not the T26 but the new French FTI and other designs in that frigate category. Not sure how they can scale up a standard displacement of 3800t to 6000t with only 130m length and 16m beam. Re. the FLD tons displace...

It is well known high currency is BAD for industry (but good for finance). I would beg to differ and here is why. Finance is a service industry. Manufacturing in the UK is largely a value added industry, the UK would import a lot of materials, parts etc and add some value to export these. The high ...