It is linked to the Littoral Strike concept, for very small scale interventions when a carrier with Apache / F35 is not present. Also, lessons from Libya show that such a capability would have been very useful. But, still quite far from the top of the funding priority list. I realise your last stat...

It does overlap with SeaVenom (but not with Martlet/LMM). Developing a surface-launched SeaVenom vs add a booster to SPEAR3 and load it in ExLS. I like the latter. My main curiosity is...what is the intended purpose of a surface launched Spear on a ship? What is its target? Is this a solution looki...

Query - A lot of people repeatedly suggest Spear as a vertical launch anti-ship weapon. In the air, it has about a 130-140km range. From vertical launch that is likely to be MUCH lower. MICA drops from 50km (although I'd seen ridiculous wikipedia claims of 80km lately, likely in the same "CAMM ...

In the context of the type 26 city class would this proposal for the Hunter class make sense for the type 26 city class https://www.australiandefence.com.au/defence/sea/the-hangars-on-the-hunter-class-frigates-are-inadequate Sounds like that article didn't do its research, the "doghouse" ...

Bear in mind, involvement doesn't mean buying the aircraft.

Look at the UK with Gripen.

Aye, we all better take a chill on this thread for a bit till something new comes up.

As I said at the very very start, the only purpose of this ship is to "look like" a frigate, with a similar sized hull, a gun they can photograph going bang on the front, and the ability to truthfully say "it has missiles". It's only so they can claim they have 13 in PMQs. That's...

Simply put we all know that equipment across the board in a lot of cases is not up to what we’d all want or what is really needed but you have to work with in the budget we’ve got. I’d love to see HMG turn around tomorrow and as we’re upping the budget to 3%+ plus that’s not realistic. I'm not talk...

Yes you can put any missiles on any ship as long as it fits and works but the point is no one in the RN is going to logically look at it and go you know what let’s put a longer range AAW missile on the T26 than is on the T45. You're missing what I'm saying. Unless you're going to add Sylver silos, ...

Are we not susceptible to the same? Note quite. Western doctrine doesn't rely on giant walls of SAMs pointing in given directions, but on air superiority. That gives you the initiative to be the one launching from an active, moving location at the static, known areas. In theory yes a Patriot batter...

The AS-90 still have a very valid and useful role to play until a suitable replacement is available, which I why I advocate retaining at least one Regiments if not two, each of four eight gun batteries, and keep them as part of the Armoured Cavalry Brigade, but able to be redistributed if and when ...

Are people seriously suggesting here that T26 with its 48 CAMM and Artisan is not able to provide AAW coverage for itself and close consorts? Even if the range is somewhat limited, 48 munitions vs as few as 16-24 for many other first tier escorts (outside of the US, China and Russia, at least)... Y...

SM-6 has double the operational range than Aster 30 240km vs 120km. Why would we put that on a vessel that isn’t designed for AAW ? I can get onboard with replacing the front mushrooms with extra Mk41s but not for sm-6, IMO replacing the mid ship mushrooms with 15 ExcL and fit them with 30 CAMM plu...

Should we be looking at introducing CAMM-ER on all 3 T class as the minimum to complement CAMM then ? ( replacing aster 15 on T45s ) Even CAMM-ER would be too small. The ideal situation is replacing the CAMM on the fore of T26 with additional Mk41 for SM-6. 1: French "9 escorts" with long...

I can't help but imagine the beauty of being able to lob a Spear-EW every few hours toward an enemy's SAM network spewing false contacts and watch them waste all those expensive massive SAM battery munitions on essentially thin air around a single munition. The sheer level of information denial such...

I think the broad meaning is that regardless of whether it's 25km or 60km, it's a tiny patch of nothing when most major escorts in navies these days are rolling around with 120km (and commonly much higher) range SAMs at the minimum to protect themselves. Yes, T45 exists, but in too few numbers to al...

Under the current system I agree, what is needed it a total overhaul of how programmes are run form raising a requirement to disposal. The Treasury needs to be made to take a step back and stop micro managing every other departments budgets. As a basic example if a report by the NSC highlights a gr...

The default setting for the Treasury should be that unless THEY can prove a piece of kit is not needed, then they provide the funding, intervention by the PM with standing. A dangerous approach. Then you'd just give rise to the mass misinformation and derision tactics to try and project false narra...

Maybe a good base line fit for type 31 should be 1 x 57mm 2 x 40mm 36 x CAMM ( in 3 x 3 cell EXLS ) 8 x NSM 4 x Aselsan / Thales stable mounts fitted with 4 x LMM + GAU-19 12.7mm gatling gun Why the addition of another bespoke .50 cal gun system that exists no-where else in the Navy to add to the l...

Long rage, super/hyper-sonic, stealthy, and intelligent (counter decoy) missile will be very very expensive . See LRASM. Even with modest range, sub-sonic speed, it is very expensive. Not surprised to see the cost triples if we make it "also super-sonic". China is a super power so they ma...

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Thanks. So, I think you are proposing "FC/ASW" and "a long range land attack cruise missile" combined. My proposal is more "a NSM (200 km range)" and "a long range land attack cruise missile added with anti-ship capability (1000+ km range)". This is because &...

if the FC/ASW is, "stealthy", "intelligent", "long-range", and even "super-sonic", it will be very very expensive missile. We all know TLAM is "exceptionally cheap" as a cruise missile, thanks to its huge mass production and simplicity. But it is st...

For me the way ahead is to make what we have better as cheap as possible and fitting common systems when possible so for me something like I do have some critique of this route, really. 1) Have CAMM cleared for quad packing in A-50 VLS on RN ships MBDA say it can be done. Then fit one or two 8 cell...

serge750 wrote:Would a ASROC type missile/torpedo system be high up on the list ? just incase the merlin cannot fly due to the weather/maintenance or whatever reason as ASW is the raison d'etre of the T26.

It has to be a given. Not even the modern MoD could be that stupid.