How about this? The Osumi class/ enlarged San Giorgio is very much what I was thinking of. A hull of approx. 160m x 25m & displacement in region of 12,000/14,000t light Add a Merlin capable lift (deck edge?) from flight deck to a shared hangar/ vehicle deck and a steel beach to allow large LCAC...

as ( A there is no budget for MRSS ) and ( B No clear design rote ) There are, however, uncommitted funds of around £0.8-1.2b in future years, on which a certain amount of speculation can be based. Until the requirements have been framed, neither of those will happen. So, let's not get ahead of our...

1 Escort @ £900m every 18 months approx £600m pa (£c.£33.3m/month) 1 large ship @ £600m every 24 months approx. £300m pa (c. £25m/month) 1 minor vessel @ £150m every 6 months approx. £300m pa (would also allow for 1 tier 2 escort at £450m every 18 months). c. £25m/month Edit: Over a 24-year cycle th...

I think ORYX stopped because he needed to "get a life" - there was just too much work involved. He regularly asked people NOT to send him money & donated anything he was sent to Ukrainian causes. I think several others have now stepped in to help, but they work to a slower tempo. As yo...

T32 is just a placeholder for "more ships". I think most of us understand that and are speculating what form they could take, at what cost and is there any benefit to yet another class of frigate. The basis of my comment (not particularly original, I admit) was simply to build more of the ...

If you removed the word frigate and said long term escort force you would have it about right add 6 vessels for the mcm role you would satisfy the c3 requirement too. Yes - I agree - I should have said "escorts". Maybe with a longer term increase from 6 to 8 DD (probably at the cost of re...

It doesn't free up any budget because the Type 32 has literally never had a budget. Absolutely nothing. Hmmm. Not sure my question warranted a snarky reply.. You might note the use of the phrase "If there were" (i.e positing a potential case, that does not currently exist) & "est...

Simple; It is NATO fighting Russia, yet we act like it isn't, in the form of weapons manufacturing, e.c.t. If we simply gave them just enough artillery alone, their counter-offensive would have been a success. It seems to me that the West has taken the hugely cynical approach of letting Ukraine ble...

Well, if there were around £2.5b available (which seems to be a fairly common estimate of what might be available as a budget for T32) could we squeeze 2 x T26 and 3 x T31 (perhaps without Mk41) out of that? That would be a pretty straightforward path to 24 escorts (it would also give us 10 C1 &...

2HeadsBetter wrote: ↑30 Oct 2023, 18:55 And Opel camper van

Oh, the fun you could have with a rumour like that on Twitter!

Why would you use a OPV / Frigate? The Swedish have theirs on 24m fast craft, which would be ideal for a forward based RM force or launch OTH. https://pdf.nauticexpo.com/pdf/swede-ship-marine-ab/24-m-fast-mortar/36943-106870-_2.html This chimes with what I was saying a few weeks ago about replacing...

Of course! Going purely from memory (which is getting less & less reliable these days), didn't a Puma land on one of the carriers (while docked), for some official visit or other? Maybe it only landed close by - as I say, my memory isn't what it used to be! Unless thay are counting that drone th...

Wasn't the Dauphin II one of them?

Little J wrote: ↑27 Oct 2023, 19:22 Anyone who's moaned about the L85's bayonet. I have some bad news for you

Looks like it's back to the British Mk 1 Pointy Stick

What a head bangging terrorist group do and what a Western state government do should always be two different things and the murder of 1000 + children and rising by a Western backed state committing endless war crimes and braking international with the full baking of said Western states will have g...

Israel said Hamas using the pipes from the water system Hamas made a slick PR video showing themselves digging up the water pipes that the UN had just installed and converting them into rockets. They claim to have manufactured around 7000 rockets in total, though some put it even higher. One model ...

downsizer wrote: ↑12 Oct 2023, 06:55

Scimitar54 wrote: ↑12 Oct 2023, 00:44 Actually, it is rather what the Mods will accept it to be.

It's a spam post you muppet.

Yup - it reads rather like something that ChatGPT would produce. That's the next wave - AI-generated spam!

I have no idea what people gain from it.

For me I still feel 1 x new Ocean class at 220 by 40 meters at the flight deck with a steel beech is the way to go add to this 4 x MRSS For me MRSS needs to address the short comings of the Bay class which are its small dock and lack of hangar space I feel that if the new MRSS had a full width T ha...

Damen Enforcer 14428 This fits in rather nicely with the concept that I proposed several weeks ago All displacements are light, not full load 3 x LPH/LHD - 160m & 15,000t or thereabouts, 4 /5 landing spots, steel beach & LCACs - similar to the Dokdo-class 3 x LHDs - 140m & 12,000t or th...

Long range light frigates built to OPV+ standards will be around 50% cheaper than a A140. Is there any real world in service examples of this opv +, what this standard is, what is deleted compared to a proper frigate like the a140 and how or where it was built for around 150m pound? Lots of example...

Definitely closer packed

We also can’t quantify at this point how much more efficient the production process will be after the investment in infrastructure has been completed. An increase in construction efficiency of 20%-30% would make a big difference over the course of the program. The new construction hall and an addit...

Jackstar wrote: ↑04 Oct 2023, 23:47 Martlet & Sea Venom on Wildcat.
The RN now have a comprehensive suite of anti ship missiles.

IK still think there should be a heavier air-dropped anti-ship missile

We also can’t quantify at this point how much more efficient the production process will be after the investment in infrastructure has been completed. An increase in construction efficiency of 20%-30% would make a big difference over the course of the program. The new construction hall and an addit...

Was it the NAO stated that the program had grown to 11.5 billion for 13 ships I don't think there was a approved budget might be wrong £11.5b was what it was reduced to once Cameron had nibbled bits off. Then it was split into two, with £2.5b going to the T31, £8.5b to T26 and another £0.5b going e...