Poiuytrewq wrote: ↑05 Aug 2023, 18:28

new guy wrote: ↑05 Aug 2023, 18:12 Argentina isn't actually up-arming.

Just out of interest, do you think it’s only the UK that needs to maintain a drumbeat for their shipbuilding industry?

This is important if you think Argentina isn’t actually up arming.

Attempt what sorry I’m not following. Why would remove weapons and personnel costs that everyone else includes as well? Everyone? There are only a handful of nations with a UK sized nuclear deterrent. My point is that if the CASD is ever used it’s due to a failure of the conventional deterrent. Lik...

shark bait wrote: ↑06 Aug 2023, 10:27 A trio of medium looks great for dealing with swarms / suicide boats, and is going to be a far more likely event than NGFS.

Where does that leave the T23/T26/T45?

Poiuytrewq wrote: ↑05 Aug 2023, 18:13

SW1 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2023, 17:56 We have far far far more than bare minimum defence spending our defence budget is huge. It dwarfs just about every other country in the world bar a handful.

How does it look if you remove the CASD and pensions?

Are you going to attempt this?

Is RN ready for this?

https://www.navylookout.com/ukraine-war ... us-threat/

Leaving to one side the risk of alien invasion….. I do agree there isn’t much coherence to the current planning it’s far too ambitious, far too thinly spread and lacks focus. We can agree on that. RN has has enjoyed a recent reputation for competence when compared to the Army but that could now be a...

There’s quite a lot of ports and infrastructure around the Baltic and nordics and considering there Russians havent put Ukraines out of action and geographically and numerically there tiny by comparison I think we’re safe to assume there available. Probably better to never assume anything and plan ...

Timmymagic wrote: ↑05 Aug 2023, 13:32 Battle tested...UK built...

The next step needs to be a truly Chinook capable air-mobile version with reconfigurable modules for GMLRS, Brimstone, 105mm, CAMM, 81mm or 120mm mortar plus a highly protected 4x4 version with 30mm and javelin.

Make these the core the UK’s Rapid Reaction Forces.

We can’t deploy and sustain a carrier in the region or any length of time and if there is one thing the region has its hundreds and hundreds of fast jets we don’t offer anything unique there. Again nonsense - the only real carrier force outside of the PLAN is the USN. The carriers will be very valu...

Because it centres it commitment on the carrier inserted Royal Marines. The MoD is not intending to enter a conflict in the Indo Pacific against a peer opponent without at least one UK CSG participating. The transport of vehicles is using the point class transports and disembarking at one of the ma...

new guy wrote: ↑05 Aug 2023, 18:12 Argentina isn't actually up-arming.

Great, no need to be concerned then.

What a relief for the Falkland Islanders!

Just out of interest, do you think it’s only the UK that needs to maintain a drumbeat for their shipbuilding industry?

SW1 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2023, 17:56 We have far far far more than bare minimum defence spending our defence budget is huge. It dwarfs just about every other country in the world bar a handful.

How does it look if you remove the CASD and pensions?

…turning up with an OPV and conducting koint operations with local navies is a good thing in terms of slowly (re)building military relationships with them and help draw them closer to the western sphere of influence… Very important but many other things are important including direct investment, ac...

Do we say it’s a scandal to have usmc aircraft and helicopters on our ships in much the same way? Yes, if the USMC had no LPDs, LHAs or LHDs it would be a scandal. They can operate from the carrier the bay and escorts they don’t need a lpd, they didn’t have one when they assaults the al faw at brig...

Well after the current type 26 and type 31 funding and there will be more funding for the escort fleet or there will be just 13 vessels. Absolutely and the next DS needs to realise that. It’s only enough to operate a single CVF , protect the CASD and maintain NATO commitments etc. If HMG really wan...

Is this not how you would do such things in that part of the world load a company on voyager fly them to a close friend eg Australia and have them use the Australians equipment rather than spend months sending our own very limited ships all the way there. With both LPDs out of action until at least...

SW1 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2023, 13:43 ….they would be mad if they jumped at that. And show they have zero idea about industrial drum beat and threw life costs.

Completely agree, that’s why I wouldn’t do it.

Without further funding however, both in terms of vessels and manpower, extra frigates isn’t happening.

This is great.

Hopefully lots more RM on the Canberra’s in future.

Ian Hall wrote: ↑05 Aug 2023, 13:08 An interesting viewpoint. But what would you cut to pay for these upgrades?

I wouldn’t upgrade them.

However, if HMT can cancel a £2.5bn T32 program or a £2bn T31B2 program for £100m of upgrades to existing OPVs it won’t be a hard sell for RN.

…we really need to start thinking about a RB2 upgrade Actually I think this a highly relevant point. I have never been a fan of upgrading the RB2’s as IMO they should be concentrated on UK EEZ protection plus Falklands etc after the RB1s decommission around 2028. However if funding is not going to ...

….as things stand the FCF will be made up of 8 x LSU's of 250 troops each and 9 maritime security platoons of 40 troops The 8 LSU will be formed round the 8 companies of 40 & 45 Cdo which will be supported by other elements of 3Cdo brigade these can be further re-enforced by artillery and Engin...

Interesting deployment

https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-l ... -in-africa

mrclark303 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2023, 11:19 I'm not sure it could use the ski ramp, I think it would just stall off the end and get diced and sliced by the bow.

I would like to see it take off with a full payload.

No sign of that yet.

What we know about the FCF is that 8 x LSU's of 250 troops will be built around the 8 companies of 40 & 45 Cdo they have been trilling new light vehicles like Polstar plus not long back a 200 million program was set out for a new CIC All of which could change tomorrow. It comes across as ideas ...

As discussed previously.

https://www.ga-asi.com/ga-asi-mojave-st ... -operation

Theory becoming practice. Looks like a ski ramp and 200m deck would be required for take off with a full payload.