the MOD has already said no to the L55 being a thing for CR2 and that is confirmed. The fact that, engineering wise, the 120mm in terms of its ammunition is already at its mechanical limits in terms of penetrator length means there is now virtually no viability for future improvemen If that’s true ...

The current estimate for the Warrior project is £3-4m each going forwards. The cost of a new Boxer is £5m each without a turret. The cost of Ajax is £6m+ each averaged out between equal numbers of turreted and non-turreted versions.
Where does the extra money come from?

Here is an article by Harry Lye on the gun with a different take than the Twitter thread / Janes article mentioned above. https://www.army-technology.com/features/ct40-cannon-proven-system-or-cause-of-delays/ I do think the export potential of the CTA gun is limited. The MoD says: “The CT40 design ...

there ought to be 500-600 viable hulls out there That has been quoted over many years of the prgrm, but the finding that bolting steel (not necessarily the armour, but the casing holding the stuff?) has not done much good to the softer aluminium that has been carrying it in service may have reduced...

Aren’t WCSP, Ajax, Challenger 2 and Boxer all being fitted with GVA?

If you think you are going to get 250 Warriors for 800 million you re in la La land. 430 million already spent and the production contract will be 1 billion minimum, before the problems and cost overruns. Working on numbers we have: http://bidstats.uk/tenders/2020/W22/727646341 This is the number t...

The fact that Warrior is out of production 20 years tends to demonstrate that there is no longer a market for it...... You seem to be applying a commercial business case to a military vehicle. I don’t think that is valid or relevant. Warrior CSP will give us 10-12 years if we're lucky - service ent...

That's from the text; in way of pure speculation, the budget corset has either squeezed 15 vehicles out - a tight fit, then - and/or for some version the army has decided that it can do 'the job' without (any of) the multilayered upgrades “Up to” includes any number below it. Based on the numbers o...

https://www.army-technology.com/news/wa ... mg-report/

Says 275, although that’s probably just a stick in the ground for reference

across the major variants; FV511 Infantry Section Vehicle, FV512 Infantry Command Vehicle, FV513 Mechanised Recovery (Repair) Vehicle, FV514 Mechanised Artillery Observation Vehicle and FV515 Battery Command Vehicle, the latter converted to armoured ambulances." Numbers are off. FV510 is Secti...

- difficult grammar there, but I guess anything new would be over that price (and by implication, this 'thingy' will be cheap at under that price, a piece) That’s the gist* of it. Assuming a programme cost divided by by the number of vehicles procured. Another benchmark is the 6-- Warriors to be re...

The Anyone but BAE era was that period post-Astute, post-Nimrod post-TOBA where BAE were toxic, partly due to their own pig-headed arrogance, and the MOD were determined to teach them a lesson. Unfortunately in the process of doing so they bought a 5 billion GBP powerpoint presentation (Ajax) and s...

These are run of the mill medium weight vehicles. There are a dozen credible suppliers worldwide. We're not developing nukes, AI or a 6th Gen combat aircraft. Yet for some reason they all take a decade or so to develop and cost £10m That said I’m quite interested in the Hanwha IFV. That seems to ha...

Of those submissions, I’d recommend 8, 11, and 13 as the involved company perspectives 3, 5 and 6 are interesting as context, but there’s not much specifics, although 3 is a nice historical view of “how we got here” 7 is interesting as a point of view from someone involved reporting as a private ind...

My objection to Warrior is not cost, it's that it won't work. Putting a new turret on a 40 year old hard worked vehicle is an engineering nonsense. Development started in 2011, if it were going to work we'd know by now Surely the reverse would also be true. If it wasn’t going to work then surely we...

True indeed, what I was trying to get at, is the Warrior upgrade program is costing far more than just 800 million, and does not cover any hidden costs found in manufacture. I don’t think that changes my point at all. If you are comparing what you can get from here then that £430m doesn’t count. At...

Roders96 wrote:The F35 had a good start but they've tempest is going to cut its budget, the writing is on the wall.

Could you rewrite that? I don't understand what you are trying to say.

I think the point is that if we are looking at where to go from here, the £430m is unrecoverable and irrelevant in a comparison.

If you're looking at "what should we have done?" from some years back, then it might be pertinent.

How many dismounts could a turreted ajax carry if you stripped out the extra recce equipment? Not really relevant when the rear door looks like this: https://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/ajax-british-army-recon-tank.jpg https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6AO_n6z0FAo/WGTdL2XESNI/AAA...

SD67 wrote:It is not half the price if you work out your costs correctly, which is cost per unit of capability delivered, not cost per platform.

Boxer will require upgrade/refresh at the 20 year point, if not sooner, so I don’t think that you are working out your costs correctly either.

I think the current Gross Vehicle Weight is mid-40t range for the Band Tracks, with Soucy working on higher GVWs, so Ajax ought to be possible.

you could look at band tracks for Warrior and gain several tonnes capacity Magical powers for band tracks? :D A tonne and a half or so. http://gvsets.ndia-mich.org/documents/PM/2018/Composite%20Rubber%20Track%20Trial%20Results%20for%20Warrior%20IFV.pdf Which is just the direct mass saving. It also ...

So with funding a serious issue the Boxer has a lot going for it, whereas the WCSP really only has the fact it uses track. Or, to look at it another way, WCSP has track, lower silhouette and doesn’t require as much funding. If you have funding spare, you could look at band tracks for Warrior and ga...

ArmChairCivvy wrote:Don't know who that famous man is

Commanding Officer, Armoured Trials and Development Unit, Bovington, according to his twitter bio.

ArmChairCivvy wrote:

given the liquidated damages it suffered on the Terrier programme, BAE Systems was reluctant to

Has anyone ever sued...

In fairness I think that was raised looking the other way.