Same old, this carrying on will reduce the forces ability more than any other single issue.

We can have all the fancy bits of kit in the world, but they're expensive paperweights without people.

I doubt 4m is the full cost. A new engine alone would eat most of that, plus all the other items. And a complete strip down. I'm sure it's the number in a press release, I don't believe it's the real total cost. The Swedes are very transparent , certainly compared to us, I suspect the 'new engine' ...

I doubt 4m is the full cost. A new engine alone would eat most of that, plus all the other items. And a complete strip down. I'm sure it's the number in a press release, I don't believe it's the real total cost.

Agreed, though I would probably have been more shocked were it substantially less. Could there be additional upgrades on the software side for EW and other capabilities that are being bundled together? I've asked the question elsewhere about it but got no details. We know the Praetorian DASS is get...

https://news.sky.com/story/dozens-of-ro ... e-12907375

The delights of the Gateway.

Why are they retiring in increasing numbers and with no one to replace them?

https://news.sky.com/story/royal-navy-b ... t-12905148

And another one.

How would you like to see the figures presented to make them easier to understand? One idea would to make it relate to outcomes - e.g. x% of the escort fleet, y% of helicopters are crewed etc. I know it dumbing it down and but as we all know a shortage of even one specialist role means a ship canno...

Poiuytrewq wrote: ↑18 Jun 2023, 13:32

SW1 wrote: ↑18 Jun 2023, 13:07 Defence in general.

Who are you expecting to fill the vacuum created by such a withdrawal?

Whoever can afford it i would imagine.

A fundamental issue is to too many tasks too many deployments, wanting to be everywhere. A lack of focus and priorities of what is important. The use it or lose it mantra often promoted incorrectly or to coin the new phrase constant engagement. Not many are gonna choose work over family especially ...

I don't think that's the case, statistics are produced and placed online regularly. Afprb covers those trades that are under the most strain quite often. Yes, but they are very detailed and too much for a lay person or most MPs to understand. If the MoD / DoS started to talk about these things more...

I think people find manning issues boring or difficult to understand (or both) in comparison to equipment. They could crew one (at least until all three FSS arrive) by giving Proteus and Stirling Castle to the RN where they belong. The navy probably can't crew those anyway. Its 6 or two threes. The...

A fundamental issue is to too many tasks too many deployments, wanting to be everywhere. A lack of focus and priorities of what is important. The use it or lose it mantra often promoted incorrectly or to coin the new phrase constant engagement. Not many are gonna choose work over family especially ...

Following on from another thread, if people find manning issues confusing/difficult to follow what would you like to see to make it easier to understand?

If you find it boring, which part of it do you find boring?

Repulse wrote: ↑17 Jun 2023, 18:04 They could crew one (at least until all three FSS arrive) by giving Proteus and Stirling Castle to the RN where they belong.

The navy probably can't crew those anyway. Its 6 or two threes.

I think people find manning issues boring or difficult to understand (or both) in comparison to equipment.

I suspect the slowdown is quite useful in some ways, it's not like they can be used much.

That's more for the type of training rather than numbers. He gives a good explanation as to why buying more aircraft isn't always particularly useful. The example he gave about F35 is insightful in this regard. No its all about the numbers if you have so few aircraft and associated spares, crew etc...

That's more for the type of training rather than numbers.

He gives a good explanation as to why buying more aircraft isn't always particularly useful. The example he gave about F35 is insightful in this regard.

https://committees.parliament.uk/oralev ... 13249/pdf/

If you want to more about why we don't deploy xyz more often it's in here. J Bronk must have his ear very close to the ground.

It seems to be a pay issue, anyone know how bad pay is in the rfa vs the going rate?

It's easy to be down about and wonder if it'll come crashing down, however we may just bump along the bottom. It may need things like rengagment bonuses to be brought back. Specialist pay brought in or increased. A complete fresh look at housing etc. I think the first step is to be realistic, althou...

I noticed on here another part of the MoD is struggling with retention. There was a review into this https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/announcement-of-chair-the-haythornthwaite-review-of-armed-forces-incentivisation However it still has been published, I wonder if it's been kicked into the long...

I simply don't buy into the view of UK manufacturing draws expenditure back into UK coffers, (it might do), but those coffers are separate from the MOD budget, so your defence budget buys you less and less and the military continue to contract in an ever decreasing death spiral.... If the MoD budge...