The reason I mentioned that Wave Knight would have been my ideal choice to operate EoS rather than a Tide, is because Wave Knight has sick bay and medical team, and I believe can carry more munitions, stores and dry goods than the Tide Casll. Thus I thought Wave Knight would be more suited to suppo...

If there isn’t enough money to crew the Waves where is the money coming from for extra anything? New classes or additional batches are pie in the sky without additional funding. The waves and the rfa have been an issue for a decade logistics and support in general just weren’t considered a priority...

With regard to HADR in the Caribbean, there is more than one way to address that. The current policy has several parts. In addition to the RN/ RFA naval presence, there has been: Enhanced co-operation with France and the Netherlands; Placement of UK military command & co-ordination teams on-isl...

I have read some nonsense about the U.K. not having a blue water navy because these two ships are to be sold. We have/will have 4 tankers and 3 stores ships the French have 3 fuel/stores ships and the Japanese 5 and I bet they are considered a blue water navy’s. Realism and priorities matter people...

With regard to HADR in the Caribbean, there is more than one way to address that. The current policy has several parts. In addition to the RN/ RFA naval presence, there has been: Enhanced co-operation with France and the Netherlands; Placement of UK military command & co-ordination teams on-isl...

I have read some nonsense about the U.K. not having a blue water navy because these two ships are to be sold. We have/will have 4 tankers and 3 stores ships the French have 3 fuel/stores ships and the Japanese 5 and I bet they are considered a blue water navy’s. Realism and priorities matter people...

With regard to HADR in the Caribbean, there is more than one way to address that. The current policy has several parts. In addition to the RN/ RFA naval presence, there has been: Enhanced co-operation with France and the Netherlands; Placement of UK military command & co-ordination teams on-isl...

But your argument is because we are a p5 nation we need to spend more. There is other p5 nations spending less than us, so that can’t be the basis for wanting more. Interesting how two people look at the same thing in a totally different ways. Rather than a reason to do less it should be a reason f...

We spend more as a percentage of gdp on defence than France does and they’re a p5 nation. Whataboutery is not the basis of a rational argument. But your argument is because we are a p5 nation we need to spend more. There is other p5 nations spending less than us, so that can’t be the basis for want...

Which all point to the foreign office and development funding being used for the infrastructure resilience, capacity building and the like and the MoD doing the maritime security task.

Perhaps we have reached the equilibrium…. We have and it’s HMT’s equilibrium not the publics. 2% of GDP plus pensions is not enough for a P5 member of the Security Council to spend. The UK can retreat from the world and continue with the creative accountancy or it can invest in Defense to ensure th...

Institutional failure in retention and recruitment and the inability to allocate capital investment. It’s unsustainable at present.

The type 31 as is, is credible so there very much is a choice As-is it’s overkill for the Caribbean and under spec’d for everything else bar perhaps FIGS. Even then we should think twice about deploying it as it will be seen/used as an escalation and an excuse for large Chinese presence in the area...

The type 31 does not need to get more complex it could be delivered as is. It’s a choice to add things or not. You are right, but the the reality is that the RN requires more credible and capable escorts, so there is no choice. The RN task in for he Caribbean to which dauntless is assigned is marit...

https://www.thejc.com/news/news/iran%27s-%27suicide-drones%27-are-being-developed-at-british-universities-3lUpJ4vPCpCIqRaYwvkRR0 Scientists at British universities helped the Iranian regime develop technology that can be used in its drone programme and fighter jets, a JC investigation has revealed. ...

Why do all the ships of the class or possibly future ones need to be configured the same? The current configuration doesn’t cost £4-500m. Lets wait and see, there is another 5 years of inflation to get through. The T31 is evolving, it’s getting more complex and expensive. As such the price will con...

At around £170 m each and similar size to type 31 you may as well just use type 31. As they were built in Romania I suspect they would end up the same price too. The value in OPVs is in allowing Frigates to do what Frigates do best. Or that we don’t have a need for opvs or another class of vessel. ...

Poiuytrewq wrote: ↑09 Jun 2023, 21:09

Tempest414 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2023, 21:02 NATO Europe has….

How many of these countries can we actually rely on at five minutes to midnight?

All of the nato ones unless you think nato doesn’t work?

At around £170 m each and similar size to type 31 you may as well just use type 31. As they were built in Romania I suspect they would end up the same price too. The value in OPVs is in allowing Frigates to do what Frigates do best. Or that we don’t have a need for opvs or another class of vessel.

At around £170 m each and similar size to type 31 you may as well just use type 31. As they were built in Romania I suspect they would end up the same price too.

Another expendable we have to rely on others for https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/landwarfareintl/uk-no-longer-able-to-manufacture-155mm-artillery-barrels-bae-systems-admits/ Is it suprising though? When did we last order any? Are the buildings being\already demolished at Barrow where they used t...

Its the bullshitting I don't like, as the F-35 workshare is a percentage allocated to British companies which end up producing stuff in the US - Lift fan! Back end, lift fan and some systems are manufactured in the UK I believe.... We may make the lift fan blades here. But Plainfield build them htt...

Another expendable we have to rely on others for https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/landwarfareintl/uk-no-longer-able-to-manufacture-155mm-artillery-barrels-bae-systems-admits/ Is it suprising though? When did we last order any? Are the buildings being\already demolished at Barrow where they used t...

I simply don't buy into the view of UK manufacturing draws expenditure back into UK coffers, (it might do), but those coffers are separate from the MOD budget, so your defence budget buys you less and less and the military continue to contract in an ever decreasing death spiral.... If the MoD budge...