ArmChairCivvy wrote:

RichardIC wrote:the U.K. likely to buy an additional 14

As Gaby says the 14 are likely to be the 16
... it is still a lot of money, perhaps we can call Mr. Trump for A Deal?

Bloody hell, don't do that he'll up the price and want a cut of the action.

It looks like Labour is ruling out an election until no deal is ruled out, which they're saying means they'll refuse to support one until the UK has signed up to the new MFF which starts on January 1st 2021.

We seem to have bunches of tribal wildmen roaming the Palace of Westminster ... in most countries they have leaders that prebroker compromises, along the way, to get a "passable :) " end product That's the thing. It would have been relatively easy to get a deal that could have passed befo...

a good moment to get an election, rather than get (the facts) exposed through the scrutiny that was about to start Today's Spectator bulletin says "split between supporting a general election and trying to pass Boris Johnson’s Brexit deal. Some ministers, including Northern Ireland Secretary J...

The shit storm largely created over the last 3 years has been because those that lost, took a bigger hump than the democrats did when Clinton lost to trump. Actually, it's due to Brextremist MP's being stubborn and refusing to consider anything that the majority of parliament would be able to suppo...

Labour has a big problem in so much that it’s heart land voted heavily to leave, it will lose its main power base if it comes out as remain. If it comes out from no deal it will lose whatever seats it has in Scotland and the south of England to Lib Dem’s and SNP. It’s why they don’t want a general ...

The first referendum asked do you want to leave or remain. It didn’t ask do you want to leave with a deal, remain with a deal or any combination there off. Because I haven't had to alter my memories to suite my ideology, I clearly remember the no deal being categorically ruled out by the leave camp...

No because that would be asking the same question again eg leave or remain. No, it wouldn't. It would be a different question, leave under the terms of the negotiated withdrawal agreement or remain as opposed to leave under a unicorn nationalistic fantasy or remain. They will not do this for a numb...

For me now we faced with the fact that parliament are dead locked HMG has had 3 year to come up with a deal and now have one and it is the best they can do. Given these two facts if we want to get this done once and for all we the people need make the choice in a 2nd ref it is now a straight choice...

Parliament ie the UK one has those choices, it always has had so the EU enforcing a deadline isn’t kicking them out it forcing them to make a decision. Once again for the hard of comprehension, deciding not to do something is a choice and when you make a choice you're making a decision. This is why...

You're either confused or a numpty Stop with the insults, you are not exactly Einstein. Yes, sorry. I've got to remember that some people on this forum suffer from neurological issues and can't always remember the subject they're talking about between one post and the next. Apologies, I hope that y...

If I was the eu I would say no sorry we’ve now had enough no more extensions either you pass the agreed deal by 31 October and we move on or you revoke article 50. There is no more delay. Good job you're not the EU then, innit? There's no motivation for the EU to push the UK out the door unless the...

If I was the eu I would say no sorry we’ve now had enough no more extensions either you pass the agreed deal by 31 October and we move on or you revoke article 50. There is no more delay. Good job you're not the EU then, innit? There's no motivation for the EU to push the UK out the door unless the...

If I was the eu I would say no sorry we’ve now had enough no more extensions either you pass the agreed deal by 31 October and we move on or you revoke article 50. There is no more delay. Good job you're not the EU then, innit? There's no motivation for the EU to push the UK out the door unless the...

Crumbs. So, this will probably be out of date in an hour, but sounds like some possibility that Johnson tries to thwart Benn act in some way? For the first time I’m genuinely not entirely convinced the EU will behave in the way the Letwin-ites expect. If I were the EU I think I could be persuaded t...

Quantum radar? Is that the one where you can only determine if a bandit is there or not when a missile runs up your tailpipe?

We are a member of the EU Correct. that voted to leave Correct. Do not confuse voting to leave with leaving. The status quo as far as the UK's membership goes of the EU is concerned is that the UK is a member of the EU, having voted to leave the EU doesn't change that until the the UK actually leav...

The status que is not the position prior to June 2016 as I reminded you we voted to leave the EU in the referendum so the status quo is that we are leaving the EU therefore any future referendum can only give alternatives for leaving. Just because many remainers wish to turn the clock back and refu...

that's what we will likely get. Then the optics for an extension would be good On the surface of it the Benn Act is surgically precise in that it does not allow for a half-way house but is rather written in terms of either no-deal or a situation where the UK “has concluded an agreement with the Eur...

I completely agree and also think that's about the surest way to achieve a, 60/40 majority for Remain. Difficult to have a 60/40 majority for remain if remain is not an option. :? There's zero precedent for not having the status quote as an option and no government is ever going to put no deal on t...

As I recall we have already had a referendum on whether to remain or leave the EU with a clear majority for leaving . Any future referendum should therefore be between any available deal and a no deal Brexit. I completely agree and also think that's about the surest way to achieve a, 60/40 majority...

At the minute I think that there's probably a majority in parliament for a second referendum irrespective of whether a deal is secured. However, if a deal is secured a Remain vs. Bozzymandias' deal referendum will result in a larger pro-Remain majority.

Back to being (potentially) DUP'ed... The Spectator has picked this one up "EU diplomats have told the Times that European governments are prepared to give the Stormont assembly powers to reject the backstop after a number of years – perhaps by 2025 – as long as unionists and nationalists in N...

Whose got the order paper (on the day) as 19 October marks the day when Mr Johnson will be forced to ask the EU to delay Brexit if he has not returned from Brussels with a deal. - writing a letter does not need the parliament sitting... so what other :? alternatives will be voted on I expect the go...

Likely both. Under the current government it'll probably be indirect taxes such as VAT that disproportionately impact the poor. Whilst I personally think that the benefits bill is way too much, I can see that this could lead to civil unrest. A significant reason that social protection expenditure i...